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Rahul Dravid vs AB De Villiers

Dravid vs De Villiers

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Johan

Johan

International Regular
sayon basak said:
The stat you provided only provides the average in matches he was dismissed by Warne as thus, the low average.
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You can get stats for the games in which Shane and Dravid were both involved, Dravid averaged 33 and got dismissed by him 8 times in 32 innings.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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It depends where you got the stats. If it's Cricinfo then head to head match ups in that way are worse than useless and basically misleading.

You could flog a bowler around for 500 runs throughout your career and then get out to him for a duck and your average against him would be 0, not 500. Cricinfo doesn't analyse ball by ball data, it just tells us what someone's average was whenever they got out to a particular bowler.
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Captain
Prince EWS said:
It depends where you got the stats. If it's Cricinfo then head to head match ups in that way are worse than useless and basically misleading.

You could flog a bowler around for 500 runs throughout your career and then get out to him for a duck and your average against him would be 0, not 500. Cricinfo doesn't analyse ball by ball data, it just tells us what someone's average was whenever they got out to a particular bowler.
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What about cricmetric? As far as I know that just shows post 2000's matchup record.
 
Johan

Johan

International Regular
sayon basak said:
The ESPN one?

Then it's even more meaningless than I thought.
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if you think being dismissed by Warne every 3rd inning and averaging 32 in the games he and Rahul played together isn't a problem then what am I supposed to say lol
 
TestMatch

TestMatch

U19 Cricketer
This is why stats are so deceptive.

On paper Dravid has a much better career, but you actually look at ABDV bat and it's clear he's vastly superior. In terms of ability and sheer skill he's probably the best bat since Lara, able to grind out slow knocks like Dravid (with Kallis at his side), or also dismantle the opposition in the space of an hour with an aggressive onslaught. He was freakishly super talented.

(EDIT - as capt_Luffy pointed out, AB mostly retired from keeping in tests in 2013, not 2018 as I thought. So we did get a good look at AB as a "pure test batsman", and comparisons to Sangakkara giving up the gloves are unwarranted)
 
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capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
TestMatch said:
This is why stats are so deceptive.

On paper Dravid has a much better career, but you actually look at ABDV bat and it's clear he's vastly superior. In terms of ability and sheer skill he's probably the best bat since Lara, able to grind out slow knocks like Dravid (with Kallis at his side), or also dismantle the opposition in the space of an hour with an aggressive onslaught.

If ABDV had given up the gloves earlier - he was 37 when he quit wicket keeping in tests, I believe - he'd have a golden period like Sangakkara did, in my opinion. He was freakishly super talented.
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I am sorry but you are mixing things up. ABD kept for like 20 matches, before de Kock came, in the early 2010s.
 
TestMatch

TestMatch

U19 Cricketer
Oh, I must be mixing up his keeping careers in other formats. I have distinct memories of him on TV "retiring" from keeping due to back pain, then being sad when he retired from tests months later. I must have conflated the two.

Looks like stats are less deceptive than memories.

Edit - wow, he quit keeping in tests in 2013. I was off by far.
 
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Red_Ink_Squid

Red_Ink_Squid

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TestMatch said:
This is why stats are so deceptive.

On paper Dravid has a much better career, but you actually look at ABDV bat and it's clear he's vastly superior. In terms of ability and sheer skill he's probably the best bat since Lara, able to grind out slow knocks like Dravid (with Kallis at his side), or also dismantle the opposition in the space of an hour with an aggressive onslaught. He was freakishly super talented.
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Agree with this. On paper/accomplishments you've got to give it to Dravid, but there's still part of me that wants to vote ABdV - like you I instinctively feel he was better, though he achieved less.
 
trundler

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Players who played 100+ tests don't get any brownie points for having more potential. De Villiers does, however, lose points for deserting his team when his form took a hit to protect his numbers, especially in comparison to a titan who played 160+ tests and faced up to run droughts looks a man.
 
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subshakerz

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trundler said:
Players who played 100+ tests don't get any brownie points for having more potential. De Villiers does, however, lose points for deserting his team when his form took a hit to protect his numbers, especially in comparison to a titan who played 160+ tests and faced up to run droughts looks a man.
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Yeah but ABD also ended his career still in a batting peak. I suspect he would have averaged 2-3 points higher with a full career.
 
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