Fred Trueman vs Joel Garner

[sayon basak]

Garner over Donald

Maybe I should've included Donald in the poll as well.

 

[DrWolverine]

with this logic Garner is higher than Imran and Steyn because they also have holes in their record while Garner doesn't

Garner proved himself in multiple countries.

Trueman was great in just one country.

 

[Johan]

In ESPN profile he is classified as someone who bowled Right arm fast Medium and Right arm Medium. Wikipedia includes Right arm Leg spin.
Guess he really didn't need the Googly...

Yeah, as I said, I think he used to bowl seamers and gain movement early in the games but then revert to spin once the ball gets old, like maybe Barnes bowled "pace" like Bedser and then switched to being a top class spinner mid way through, that would explain the conflicting reports about him as a bowler.

 

[Johan]

Garner proved himself in multiple countries.

Trueman was great in just one country.

that doesn't answer my question, is Garner better than Imran and Steyn as his averages are lower accross the board than him? or Steyn for that matter.

 

[Johan]

Maybe I should've included Donald in the poll as well.

Eh, tbf Donald probably has more fans than Garner but I can't really think of a fair argument for Donald over Garner

 

[kyear2]

Top 12:-
Malcolm Marshall
Glenn McGrath
Richard Hadlee
Sydney Barnes
Curtly Ambrose
Dale Steyn
Wasim Akram
Imran Khan
Dennis Lillee
Allan Donald
Fred Trueman
Joel Garner

Good? Did I forget someone?

Holding

 

[Johan]

iirc Sayon has Garner above Holding

 

[sayon basak]

Holding

I'd rate holding below Lindwall.

 

[sayon basak]

iirc Sayon has Garner above Holding

Yeah I do.

 

[Johan]

but again Holding and Donald I don't think are far at all.

Hmmmmmm

 

[DrWolverine]

I am not really sure how to rate great bowlers who played 100 years ago - Fred Spofforth. George Lohmann. Sydney Barnes. All of them played in just 2 countries and against mostly one opponent so we don’t know how great they really were.

 

[kyear2]

1. Malcolm Marshall
2. Glenn McGrath
3. Richard Hadlee
4. Curtly Ambrose
5. Dale Steyn
6. Imran Khan
7. Dennis Lillee/Fred Trueman
8. Dennis Lillee/Fred Trueman
9. Wasim Akram
10. Joel Garner
11. Allan Donald
12. Ray Lindwall

for me.

Pretty good list, would probably just switch Holding with Garner, and slip him below Donald.

 

[sayon basak]

but again Holding and Donald I don't think are far at all.

Hmmmmmm

None of this bowlers are tbh.

 

[Johan]

Barnes was considered the greatest bowler to ever walk the Earth for like 100 years until Marshall took the title, and Barnes is still in the conversation, so I reckon he was quite great.

 

[Johan]

Pretty good lust, would probably just switch Holding with Garner, and slip him below Donald.

fair

 

[DrWolverine]

It is not fair to compare him with modern day greats. It’s ridiculous to call Barnes the greatest bowler ever. He played one good team and in 2 countries.

Maybe Barnes could have been like the great Dennis Lillee who was extraordinary in England and Australia.

 

[Coronis]

I would also note Davidson deserves a mention with those others being discussed in this thread.

 

[sayon basak]

I am not really sure how to rate great bowlers who played 100 years ago - Fred Spofforth. George Lohmann. Sydney Barnes. All of them played in just 2 countries and against mostly one opponent so we don’t know how great they really were.

Peer ratings and how they performed compared to contemporaries?

 

[capt_Luffy]

It is not fair to compare him with modern day greats. It’s ridiculous to call Barnes the greatest bowler ever. He played one good team and in 2 countries.

Maybe Barnes could have been like the great Dennis Lillee who was extraordinary in England and Australia.

He was way too exceptional in South Africa as well.

 

[sayon basak]

It is not fair to compare him with modern day greats. It’s ridiculous to call Barnes the greatest bowler ever. He played one good team and in 2 countries.

Maybe Barnes could have been like the great Dennis Lillee who was extraordinary in England and Australia.

Very few people in here call him the greatest ever. And it's not his fault that test cricket was in it's initial stage when he was doing the stuff he was doing.