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**Official** England in New Zealand 28 Nov-18 Dec 2024 - 3 Tests

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LangleyburyCCPlayer

First Class Debutant
Kenneth Viljoen said:
I genuinely think this has ruined his legacy somewhat , can even argue what Southee has done is against the spirit of the game ..
Incredibly selfish.
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The one thing I’d say about Southee that arguably did go against the spirit of the game was when he reviewed Atkinson’s hat-trick ball, it was a bizarre situation where he was confirmed out with everyone off the field, a bit of a dick move, but sportspeople by their nature are supposed to be confident about their abilities, especially a guy who’s taken nearly 400 Test wickets, why wouldn’t he believe he can turn it back on like a tap?
 
Kenneth Viljoen

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
LangleyburyCCPlayer said:
The one thing I’d say about Southee that arguably did go against the spirit of the game was when he reviewed Atkinson’s hat-trick ball, it was a bizarre situation where he was confirmed out with everyone off the field, a bit of a dick move, but sportspeople by their nature are supposed to be confident about their abilities, especially a guy who’s taken nearly 400 Test wickets, why wouldn’t he believe he can turn it back on like a tap?
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Cause he's bowled 250 overs this year and taken 15 wickets. The tap is in a desert.
 
HeathDavisSpeed

HeathDavisSpeed

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
LangleyburyCCPlayer said:
The one thing I’d say about Southee that arguably did go against the spirit of the game was when he reviewed Atkinson’s hat-trick ball, it was a bizarre situation where he was confirmed out with everyone off the field, a bit of a dick move, but sportspeople by their nature are supposed to be confident about their abilities, especially a guy who’s taken nearly 400 Test wickets, why wouldn’t he believe he can turn it back on like a tap?
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I mean, you might not like it, I might not like it, but if the review's still remaining, you would take it just on the off chance. I think there's bigger fish to fry. Just a slightly galling thing that comes with the very, very good thing of having reviews in the game.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
HeathDavisSpeed said:
I mean, you might not like it, I might not like it, but if the review's still remaining, you would take it just on the off chance. I think there's bigger fish to fry. Just a slightly galling thing that comes with the very, very good thing of having reviews in the game.
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I'd have been furious if there was a review left and it wasn't used. It's up there with not running on the last ball of a limited overs first innings.
 
mackembhoy

mackembhoy

International Regular
Was just looking at some numbers for Bethell against Pope. For that number 3 position going forward.

Bethell has had 4 innings there and all of them lasted 28 balls or more.

Pope has had 24 out of 47 innings at 3 lasting 28 balls or fewer.

Pope a notoriously bad starter and so not really an ideal trait for a number 3. Why he's looked more at home at 6.

So some food for thought in the next 12 months if Pope can't string together some performances at 3 + Bethell can have another decent performance with bat.
 
Molehill

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
mackembhoy said:
Was just looking at some numbers for Bethell against Pope. For that number 3 position going forward.

Bethell has had 4 innings there and all of them lasted 28 balls or more.

Pope has had 24 out of 47 innings at 3 lasting 28 balls or fewer.

Pope a notoriously bad starter and so not really an ideal trait for a number 3. Why he's looked more at home at 6.

So some food for thought in the next 12 months if Pope can't string together some performances at 3 + Bethell can have another decent performance with bat.
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I think this is one of the things which has surprised me most about Bethell, and I first noticed in the WI. He's actually a very technically correct player who has a really solid forward defence. For all the stuff about him coming through the T20 format and having an array of attacking shots, he does look ready made for Test Cricket, especially in the BazBall era.

Not surprising he lasts longer than Pope, who is probably the worst starter in International Cricket!!
 
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Betterpolo

Cricket Spectator
mackembhoy said:
Was just looking at some numbers for Bethell against Pope. For that number 3 position going forward.

Bethell has had 4 innings there and all of them lasted 28 balls or more.

Pope has had 24 out of 47 innings at 3 lasting 28 balls or fewer.

Pope a notoriously bad starter and so not really an ideal trait for a number 3. Why he's looked more at home at 6.

So some food for thought in the next 12 months if Pope can't string together some performances at 3 + Bethell can have another decent performance with bat.
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There was a very good analysis (possible by Nasser) of Pope's stance that highlighted a head position leading to balance problems. This was in response to his proclivity for getting out LBW while toppling over. I wonder if this is in part responsible for his poor starts. Everyone needs to get their feet moving and find their touch but this is harder from a flawed set-up. Of course this may be over-thinking!

More curious to me are the occasions when he gets in, makes 30-40 and then not just gets out but starts looking wobbly before he does.

Of course, Test history may well be littered with batters who has great careers at 5 and never had to bat 3, but might have looked flakey if they did.
 
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Betterpolo

Cricket Spectator
kevinw said:
Odds on Potts and Rehan for Woakes and Bashir for the last test?
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I doubt it with Bashir to be honest, I think they're so invested in him now they want (and need) to get his mileage up.

They might play with the seamers though, wonder if they may prefer to rest someone who is going to India in February.

Back on Bashir, their plan for spinners was never clear on this tour was it? Very curious.
 
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LangleyburyCCPlayer

First Class Debutant
Betterpolo said:
I doubt it with Bashir to be honest, I think they're so invested in him now they want (and need) to get his mileage up.

They might play with the seamers though, wonder if they may prefer to rest someone who is going to India in February.

Back on Bashir, their plan for spinners was never clear on this tour was it? Very curious.
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Maybe Ahmed really likes golf?
 
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