Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[Coronis]

Good run of form for a decade?

Not talking about any specific player in that post, just a general observation. If you’re fortunate enough to play a larger number of tests during your peak in a shorter career its more of an advantage than a longer career where tests are played less often.

 

[kyear2]

Not talking about any specific player in that post, just a general observation. If you’re fortunate enough to play a larger number of tests during your peak in a shorter career its more of an advantage than a longer career where tests are played less often.

That can be true, but after a couple years that no longers holds merit.

Also for a fast bowler it's possibly easier, but for a batsman, yeah the longer, more spaced out career makes it harder.

 

[Coronis]

That can be true, but after a couple years that no longers holds merit.

Also for a fast bowler it's possibly easier, but for a batsman, yeah the longer, more spaced out career makes it harder.

As I said, not talking about anyone specifically, just another factor to consider when you play more/less tests in a shorter period of time.

Hypothetically if someone played for Bangladesh and averaged 40/30 for 15-20 years but the same amount of tests as an Australian/English/Indian player who played for less than 10 averaging the same I’d think that would be pretty clear the Bangladeshi’s feat would be more impressive.

 

[subshakerz]

No one and I mean no one including myself thinks there is any gap between Malcolm and about a half dozen or so bowlers: McGrath, Hadlee, Steyn, Ambrose, Imran, Akram.

@kyear2 does

And what stat gap are you even talking about? Steyn, Waqar and Rabada have better sr. Hadlee, Steyn and Lillee have better wpm. Garner and Ambrose have better econs. Hell Bumrah and Alan Davidson have better averages. So what stat gap are you even talking about? Oh you mean being consistent home and away vs all comers, sub 23 vs all comers and sub 25 everywhere (not including 3 tests in NZ). That's not a stat gap, that's all round excellence something you value on the likes of Sachin but oddly seem to hold against sir Malcolm Marshall. Oh, "he only achieved that because he was part of a strong bowling attack." Wasim, McGrath, Donald, Imran etc didn't exactly play with poor bowling partners either.

Overall super impressive average and SR combo. And Marshalls was a historically awesome attack.

What made Marshall great isn't any stat gap. Even in my writeups and comments about him, it's the tool set that sets him apart, it's his consistency vs every opponent in all conditions. How he was equally good home and away, how he elevated a team in tradition to the greatest ever.

They skills lead to the "stat" gap, but it's those attributes that lead to his ratings.

Really! Don't pretend the stat gap doesn't influence your decision.

 

[subshakerz]

You chose who is the better batsman, period.
Tendulkar is just a bit better.

Because primarily out of longevity.

And each of those guys are still highly rated as hell, so I'm not sure what your point is.

They literally make up the top 5, with said Marshall and McGrath.

Because you separate them in these top positions based on their weaknesses. For example, Ive seen you use my point about Hadlee's concentration in Aus, NZ and Eng to justify him as spot or two less. Why not Marshall getting his average and SR inflated artificially?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

@kyear2 does


Overall super impressive average and SR combo. And Marshalls was a historically awesome attack.



Really! Don't pretend the stat gap doesn't influence your decision.

Kyear is one person. If you have issues with his take that's fine. But no need to make up stuff that doesn't exist. Most of us, don't think there's any gap between MM and the other top 6 or so (and especially Richard, Glenn and even Dale).

 

[subshakerz]

Kyear is one person. If you have issues with his take that's fine. But no need to make up stuff that doesn't exist. Most of us, don't think there's any gap between MM and the other top 6 or so (and especially Richard, Glenn and even Dale).

Not sure that is true but anyways we don't need to argue it.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Not sure that is true but anyways we don't need to argue it.

I've never seen any poster say Marshall is the undisputed best (maybe kyear excepted). If you can show me otherwise, I'm all ears ...Even I've never said that and I'm as biased as they come.

 

[subshakerz]

I've never seen any poster say Marshall is the undisputed best (maybe kyear excepted). If you can show me otherwise, I'm all ears ...Even I've never said that and I'm as biased as they come.

I used to say that lol.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I used to say that lol.

There you go...

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

From 83 he was the best bowler in the line up, with Holding increasingly injured and Garner definely being the clear no. 2.

He would have helped them more than anything else, considering his wpm, percentage of top end wickets, match winning performances and he was the spear head, the leader.

There's advantages for both sides, Murali had custom made home pitches and his wpm benefitted. Same with Hadlee.

It's give and take.

No, I corrected you about this here in a post which you admitted you didn't read properly so I'll summarise the findings:

Hadlee's WPM was better away than home: 5.35 vs. 4.67.

Hadlee's best years were his last seven, off the short run (252 wickets at 19.86). For these years:

His WPM was better away than home: 6.19 vs. 4.47.

His average was better away than home: 18.44 vs. 22.65.

He had six 10WM away, 0 at home.

He had six (of his eight) Player of the Series awards away, 0 at home.

The aggregate batting stats for NZ pitches during Hadlee's final seven years had a batting average of 32.65, more than one run higher than the global batting average of 31.49 during McGrath's batting era post-2000.

If Hadlee's home pitches had been tailor-made for him then Hadlee, being deadly on greentops, would probably have had better stats home than away as was the case at Notts:

home average: 12.96

away: 16.54 (still remarkable)

(thanks again to @Coronis for this home and away split!)