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Imran Khan vs Kapil Dev

As a batsman

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kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
DrWolverine said:
Why? I think everyone can accept that perhaps the only flaw in his career is his record against Australia.

Even if you don’t consider his last series where he became injured, his average against them was 27 which was below his standards. Against the 7 other teams he played, he averaged below 23. So yeah he did not click against the best team of his era and the biggest reason why he doesn’t rank much higher.
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So 27 or 28 against Australia isn't a good average then?

Good to know.

Of course I agree btw.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Fanboy375 said:
One thing is that during his early career there were solid evidence for Pak umpires being bias (famous Rana umpire is one example).Imran later told to bring neutral umpire.How does it affect Imran batting ave if we assume umpire protected him before neutral umpire appeared?
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Would imagine it impacted his bowling numbers more than the batting.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
sayon basak said:
Imran and Kapil has almost identical no. of 50 per innings, and Imran has more 100's per innings than Kapil.
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Genuine question. And not only related to this subject but in general.

When you look at these hundreds, do you look at context, or it just spread sheets?

Look at context, scores, who it was against? Was it a dight back knock or downhill skiing?

Like for top order guys, was it a match winning efforts of just doing their own thing?
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Regular
kyear2 said:
Genuine question. And not only related to this subject but in general.

When you look at these hundreds, do you look at context, or it just spread sheets?

Look at context, scores, who it was against? Was it a dight back knock or downhill skiing?

Like for top order guys, was it a match winning efforts of just doing their own thing?
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I go by innings list (That might also be considered spread sheet, but that's the best I can do).

Imran Khan:-
123*(199) vs WI in1980
Though the match was drawn, the innings was still pretty important considering the fact that none of the top 5 batters could score anything above 32.

70*(111) vs AUS at Melbourne
The top order did perform in this match, but still an important knock to impose a follow on on the Aussies.

67*(131) vs ENG at Leeds
was the top scorer in that innings, and then came up with 5-49 while bowling and scored another 46 in the 2nd Innings. Pakistan did lose the match and the 3 match series, But Imran scored 212 runs and took 21 wickets in that series.

117*(121) vs IND
there were 3 hundreds scored in that innings beside his 117. But he did score those runs striking at 96.69 and hit 5 sixes.

83(169) and 72*(153) vs AUS at Melbourne
Pakistan's top order in the 2nd innings almost collapsed (81 for the loss of 5), making an innings loss very probable, but imran came up with a 72 not out to draw the match.

135*(230) vs IND in Chennai
This hundred might not have been that important considering the fact that the match would still be drawn without the innings. But still, 135 not out as a number 8 is still impressive.

118*(201) vs ENG at the Oval, 71(139) in Wellington & 69*(153) in Auckland vs NZ
Again, these innings also might have not been that important for the result, but they did come away from home.

109*(146) vs IND
Scored the highest score of the innings at a healthy strike rate.

136(361) vs Australia at Adelaide
Imran came to bat when Pakistan were 22-4. Imran batted for as long as he could. Only he and Wasim were responsible to take the score from 90-5 to 387/9D to save the match.

82*(203) vs AUS at Sydney
The match was almost destined for a draw after the first 2 days were washed out, until Pakistan lost their 4 wickets for 51 runs. 4 of the top 5 batters couldn't even get past 10 runs.


And the argument was about consistency, And Kapil produced ducks as much frequently as he produced 50's away from home. Many of Imran's not out knocks were often important in the context of the game.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Genuine question. And not only related to this subject but in general.

When you look at these hundreds, do you look at context, or it just spread sheets?

Look at context, scores, who it was against? Was it a dight back knock or downhill skiing?

Like for top order guys, was it a match winning efforts of just doing their own thing?
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Why are you expecting matchwinning knocks from lower order bats?
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Regular
Pap Finn Keighl said:
Not regularly though.

4 of Imran's 6 hundreds and 9 of 18 50s came in the last quarter of the career.
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Kapil was also very regular/consistent at scoring ducks and getting out for less than 10 runs more often.
Kapil scored 16 ducks and got out for less than ten runs 64 times in 184 innings (34.78%).
Imran scored 8 ducks & got out for less than ten runs 35 times in 126 innings (27.78%).
 
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