Imran Khan vs Kapil Dev

[Fanboy375]

In the same nine year stretch, he scored under 80% of Kapil's aggregate in the same period, even though he averaged nearly twice as much.

Just not a lot of runs to take that average on face value.

It is fair to rate Imran slightly better, just like it is fair to rate Kapil slightly better because of his much larger run output.

However, Imran being way better is just going by cricinfo averages which doesn't tell the full story.

Imran was also found out as a batsman in WI. Kapil was very inconsistent, but did belt the ATG bowlers for a few big scores in their backyard.

Imran had a lot of not out since he doesn't typically bat early.This cause his ave to be 37 where he scored 30 runs per innings

 

[subshakerz]

Imran had a lot of not out since he doesn't typically bat early.This cause his ave to be 37 where he scored 30 runs per innings

I think this board unfairly penalises him for not outs. It's true we can take his average a couple points down but that doesn't mean he was just shielding himself for his average or something.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Probably should have shielded himself to avoid getting shot to be honest

 

[subshakerz]

Probably should have shielded himself to avoid getting shot to be honest

Yeah no need to go there.

 

[h_hurricane]

Imran had a lot of not out since he doesn't typically bat early.This cause his ave to be 37 where he scored 30 runs per innings

I am not criticizing his not outs, just highlighting his depleted output as a test batsman. He just needed to play more at a similar quality to make this comparison a no contest. As it is, he can be still rated higher than Kapil, but not by the huge margin that is projected here by a few.

Kapil easily.. More consistent and more destructive.

Haha, this doesn't make sense either.

 

[Johan]

can think of more great innings from Kapil while Imran had a more solid technique, Reckon I'll take Dev overall from pure batting perspective.

 

[subshakerz]

As it is, he can be still rated higher than Kapil, but not by the huge margin that is projected here by a few.

To be clear to me it's not a huge margin, but an easily notable one.

 

[h_hurricane]

Didn’t realise Kapil played in the late 90’s tbh.

Donald's career best match figures did happen in the said match, hence it is fair to consider it as his short team peak. Yes, his long term peak was probably late 90s.

 

[DrWolverine]

Donald's career best match figures did happen in the said match, hence it is fair to consider it as his short team peak. Yes, his long term peak was probably late 90s.

1998
14 Tests
7 5-Fer
80 wickets.
Avg of 19.63
SR of 40.40

Among the top 25 names in the list of most wickets in a calendar year, Allan Donald in 1998 is the best bowling average and second best strike rate for a fast bowler.

 

[Johan]

early 90s Donald was about the same level but just happened to play 2 serieses back to back with Australia (his worst opponent).

 

[subshakerz]

early 90s Donald was about the same level but just happened to play 2 serieses back to back with Australia (his worst opponent).

I guess that goes against him then

 

[Johan]

I guess that goes against him then

Reckon Donald's record against Australia has always been a point against him, and rightfully so

 

[subshakerz]

Reckon Donald's record against Australia has always been a point against him, and rightfully so

Once again, this point I have tried to push here and get pushback on it. But I think it's irrefutable he was below his best against Aussie.

 

[DrWolverine]

Once again, this point I have tried to push here and get pushback on it. But I think it's irrefutable he was below his best against Aussie.

Why? I think everyone can accept that perhaps the only flaw in his career is his record against Australia.

Even if you don’t consider his last series where he became injured, his average against them was 27 which was below his standards. Against the 7 other teams he played, he averaged below 23. So yeah he did not click against the best team of his era and the biggest reason why he doesn’t rank much higher.

 

[DrWolverine]

Kapil easily.. More consistent and more destructive.

Is this Lara vs Sachin again? Sachin is more consistent whereas Lara can play exceptional knocks.

 

[subshakerz]

Is this Lara vs Sachin again? Sachin is more consistent whereas Lara can play exceptional knocks.

If by exceptional we mean fast scoring.

Otherwise I would argue the tons by Imran in 80 against WI and in 90 in Aus are as good any knock that Kapil played.

 

[Fanboy375]

If by exceptional we mean fast scoring.

Otherwise I would argue the tons by Imran in 80 against WI and in 90 in Aus are as good any knock that Kapil played.

One thing is that during his early career there were solid evidence for Pak umpires being bias (famous Rana umpire is one example).Imran later told to bring neutral umpire.How does it affect Imran batting ave if we assume umpire protected him before neutral umpire appeared?

 

[subshakerz]

One thing is that during his early career there were solid evidence for Pak umpires being bias (famous Rana umpire is one example).Imran later told to bring neutral umpire.How does it affect Imran batting ave if we assume umpire protected him before neutral umpire appeared?

It was especially bad in Pakistan but bad everywhere in the world at the time.

You should check the umpires when WI toured NZ in 79/80.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Is this Lara vs Sachin again? Sachin is more consistent whereas Lara can play exceptional knocks.

No..
Kapil was more consistent and Kapil was more destructive.

 

[subshakerz]

Kapil was more consistent

Consistent how? What do you base that off?