Sobers vs Tendulkar

[kyear2]

Very simple premise.

What if Sobers had never bowled a delivery in test cricket, but was just a middle order bat and slip specialist, with the exact same batting numbers (just adjusted that he made them batting at 3 and especially at 4), but probably has about 50 or so more catches.

And assuming that those who rate Sachin higher still will, and on the premise of the latest CW rankings of 2nd and 4th all time.

Who makes the AT team at 4?

 

[ataraxia]

Very simple premise.

What if Sobers had never bowled a delivery in test cricket, but was just a middle order bat and slip specialist, with the exact same batting numbers (just adjusted that he made them batting at 3 and especially at 4), but probably has about 50 or so more catches.

And assuming that those who rate Sachin higher still will, and on the premise of the latest CW rankings of 2nd and 4th all time.

Who makes the AT team at 4?

That surely isn't the right question here. This is close but I'd probably still bat Tendulkar at 4 and Sobers at 5 even considering Sobers to be the better batsman, let alone better cricketer.

 

[kyear2]

That surely isn't the right question here. This is close but I'd probably still bat Tendulkar at 4 and Sobers at 5 even considering Sobers to be the better batsman, let alone better cricketer.

Only one makes the team. (Should have made that clear)

Who gets the spot?

 

[ataraxia]

Only one makes the team. (Should have made that clear)

Who gets the spot?

Well what's the rest of the team looking like then? How many slippers are there, how many part-time bowlers are there? It's strange that this comparison is meant to be made in a very specific ATG context.

 

[kyear2]

Well what's the rest of the team looking like then? How many slippers are there, how many part-time bowlers are there? It's strange that this comparison is meant to be made in a very specific ATG context.

For the sake of argument.

Only 1 other slip, 6 is Gilly, 7 is Imran (as the all rounder) and then the bowlers including two spinners.

Slip wise Warne will be attempted to be hidden at 1st and no other great alternative for 2nd.

More of a thought experiment. Do you go for (for the sake of argument) the better batsman or the slightly worse option, but elite slip guy.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

As cricketers there's no comparison but as batsmen, really is a toss up. Add to that, Sobers was a peerless fielder. Funny enough both started out as teenagers and played 20 years, obviously Sachin played many more tests overall. I'll go with Sachin just.

 

[kyear2]

As cricketers there's no comparison but as batsmen, really is a toss up. Add to that, Sobers was a peerless fielder. Funny enough both started out as teenagers and played 20 years, obviously Sachin played many more tests overall. I'll go with Sachin just.

Nor asking who's the better batsman, nor a comparison. It's framed that Sachin is a touch better.

It's who would you choose for the team taking the batting of one and the slightly less batting and catching of the other for a team that would take the field.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Nor asking who's the better batsman, nor a comparison. It's framed that Sachin is a touch better.

It's who would you choose for the team taking the batting of one and the slightly less batting and catching of the other for a team that would take the field.

Ok lemme think about it a sec..

 

[Line and Length]

I voted without reading the OP. Too lazy to change ... that's if I wanted to.

 

[subshakerz]

Tendulkar is a better bat

 

[kyear2]

Tendulkar is a better bat

Did u even read the op?

 

[subshakerz]

Did u even read the op?

Yes. Batting matters more. I am not sacrificing primary skill in an ATG XI middle order for tertiary benefits.

 

[kyear2]

Yes. Batting matters more. I am not sacrificing primary skill in an ATG XI middle order for tertiary benefits.

From Sachin to Sobers?

Like both top 4 batsmen and BAB. And the same Ian Chappell which you say I should listen to, with regards to Imran, ranks Sobers above Sachin as a bat.

Not to mention how many matches are determined by dropped catches in the slips.

Yeah. Wild.

 

[DrWolverine]

What if Sobers had never bowled a delivery in test cricket

Sachin Tendulkar

 

[subshakerz]

From Sachin to Sobers?

Like both top 4 batsmen and BAB. And the same Ian Chappell which you say I should listen to, with regards to Imran, ranks Sobers above Sachin as a bat.

Not to mention how many matches are determined by dropped catches in the slips.

Yeah. Wild.

Ian Chappell didn't play against Sachin and Sobers both so I don't consider his opinion gospel.

 

[kyear2]

Ian Chappell didn't play against Sachin and Sobers both so I don't consider his opinion gospel.

Just when it suited you.

Gotcha.

 

[subshakerz]

Just when it suited you.

Gotcha.

Not I have clarified, peer opinion is those who played against them, but someone from a different era commenting about a different era cricketer has far less weightage. Sobers saying Gupte is better than Warne isn't really worth anything.

Is that unreasonable?

 

[kyear2]

Not I have clarified, peer opinion is those who played against them, but someone from a different era commenting about a different era cricketer has far less weightage. Sobers saying Gupte is better than Warne isn't really worth anything.

Is that unreasonable?

So he's not good enough to judge his captaincy.

So Gower played against these guys, so when he ranks Imran 14th, is that one credible then?

 

[subshakerz]

So he's not good enough to judge his captaincy.

So Gower played against these guys, so when he ranks Imran 14th, is that one credible then?

He played against Imran though. And captaincy isn't the same type of skill as batting or bowling that you can't develop a qualitative perspective from afar.

Gower is just one opinion. I look at consensus.

 

[kyear2]

He played against Imran though. And captaincy isn't the same type of skill as batting or bowling that you can't develop a qualitative perspective from afar.

Gower is just one opinion. I look at consensus.

Ok, so I can be clear. Captaincy which requires much closer inspection that batting, bowling and fielding can be judged from afar, but batting can't be unless you played against them.

And even though he played with Sobers he can't say that Sobers is the best batsman since Bradman, because he didn't play with Tendulkar, but can call Imran a good captain even though he didn't play against Taylor and the like.
You can't judge a batsman unless you played against them, what the hell.

So full of **** sometimes.

Oh, so what's the consensus?

Anyways, I'll try not to derail the thread further.