McGrath. Marshall. Hadlee.

[kyear2]

It was obvious to anyone watching him in the 2000s. The flat pitch era thing is a bit overdone.

Didn't say I didn't notice it, always wonder why no one brings it up.

I wasn't ever going to

But note that not every where had that bounce and dint have the movement the earlier era had.

 

[subshakerz]

I wasn't ever going to

Obviously.

But note that not every where had that bounce and dint have the movement the earlier era had.

McGrath doesn't need to much movement.

 

[Fanboy375]

McGrath is overrated.Handlee had no help from other side because of his weak team.

 

[Johan]

McGrath is overrated.Handlee had no help from other side because of his weak team.

McGrath is not overrated lol

 

[DrWolverine]

I can see the argument for Hadlee over McGrath

But that does not mean he is overrated by any means

 

[Johan]

honestly I can also see a case for Hadlee over McGrath but McGrath was better on flatties and performed better in the home of the strongest batting he could bowl against (India) so I'd give it to him, Hadlee needed a huge tour of windies honestly.

 

[Fanboy375]

honestly I can also see a case for Hadlee over McGrath but McGrath was better on flatties and performed better in the home of the strongest batting he could bowl against (India) so I'd give it to him, Hadlee needed a huge tour of windies honestly.

Mcgrath didn't face Aus who had the strongest batting lineup but Hadlee faced Aus,Ind,Pak and WI who had better batting power than his own team

 

[subshakerz]

honestly I can also see a case for Hadlee over McGrath but McGrath was better on flatties and performed better in the home of the strongest batting he could bowl against (India) so I'd give it to him, Hadlee needed a huge tour of windies honestly.

Yeah Hadlee had a moderate away series against WI, a huge tour would have really solidified his case.

As it is, his career is mainly Eng, Aus and NZ.

 

[sayon basak]

Shoaib’s strike rate is crazy

so was his economy rate.

 

[Fanboy375]

Between 2002-2007, there were only two standout fast bowlers.

McGrath: 44 Tests. 190 wickets. Avg of 21.15. SR of 52.8

Shoaib : 30 Tests. 132 wickets. Avg of 21.94. SR of 39.3

Waqar also had amazing early career.19 ave in first 4 years but after that he couldn't keep up.But also Mcgrath being different is that unlike Waqar and Shoaib he isn't a fast bowler with extreme pace.That is why he is so consistent like Wasim unlike Shoaib and Waqar

 

[kyear2]

Obviously.


McGrath doesn't need to much movement.

Why would I bring it up?

Would you? It's really similar to Sachin.

A lot of his legacy is based on playing in the 90's. But even then his pitches at home were flat, way flatter than the ones every where else.

Have you ever brought it up, ever?

 

[kyear2]

honestly I can also see a case for Hadlee over McGrath but McGrath was better on flatties and performed better in the home of the strongest batting he could bowl against (India) so I'd give it to him, Hadlee needed a huge tour of windies honestly.

It's about moments and tours and when and against whom.

Those are the things that create legacies.

Think Marshall and McGrath had more big moments in big series, especially abroad.

 

[subshakerz]

Why would I bring it up?

Would you? It's really similar to Sachin.

A lot of his legacy is based on playing in the 90's. But even then his pitches at home were flat, way flatter than the ones every where else.

Have you ever brought it up, ever?

I did mention that the flat pitch thing was overdone by the likes of you and that it was nowhere near as flat as Pakistani pancakes Wasim bowled on.

 

[subshakerz]

It's about moments and tours and when and against whom.

Those are the things that create legacies.

Think Marshall and McGrath had more big moments in big series, especially abroad.

Hadlee had those but because he was NZ, didn't get highlight except for Aus 85 tour.

 

[_00_deathscar]

If McWarne are getting boosted for bowling in difficult conditions, when are we penalising the Aussie batsmen?

 

[subshakerz]

If McWarne are getting boosted for bowling in difficult conditions, when are we penalising the Aussie batsmen?

We do all the time.

 

[DrWolverine]

If McWarne are getting boosted for bowling in difficult conditions, when are we penalising the Aussie batsmen?

Murali gets criticised for picking tons of wickets at home whereas Sanga also gets criticised for scoring a ton of runs at home.

 

[_00_deathscar]

We do all the time.

More for the modern guys, not the old guys

 

[kyear2]

I did mention that the flat pitch thing was overdone by the likes of you and that it was nowhere near as flat as Pakistani pancakes Wasim bowled on.

I was making reference to Sachin and his pitches at home during the '90's.

 

[kyear2]

Hadlee had those but because he was NZ, didn't get highlight except for Aus 85 tour.

How is it a big series if it isn't highlighted. Somewhat my point, the high pressure, featured series.