Formula 1

[Furball]

Perez

 

[Boy_Blunder]

Nice of Lando to return the favour now that the Drivers Championship is over

 

[Coronis]

Big turnaround from the sprint. Rip Hulkenberg and wow Max. Just wow.

 

[Boy_Blunder]

Verstappen has been dropped to second for going unnecessarily slowly. Apparently forced Russell to the gravel a corner or two before he started his lap, and that could have affected his lap.

 

[Coronis]

Verstappen has been dropped to second for going unnecessarily slowly. Apparently forced Russell to the gravel a corner or two before he started his lap, and that could have affected his lap.

Haven’t seen the footage but two drivers on a slow lap and someone getting penalised… lol

 

[ripper868]

Haven’t seen the footage but two drivers on a slow lap and someone getting penalised… lol

From what I understood from the comms at the time, there is a time delta that they need to meet on slow laps, and he failed to meet that, the penalty is usually 3 grid places as well, so he's probably lucky to have only lost one.

I don't really know, but if it was enough of an offence to warrant a point of his licence, shouldn't it also be enough of offence to cop the full penalty (3 grid spots)?

Bit more info:

Article on a website I found on google that may just be a fan page but seems to have it grasped.
30th November 2024, 22:14 | Written by Keith Collantine

Max Verstappen has lost pole position for the Qatar Grand Prix after being penalised for driving unnecessarily slowly in the final phase of qualifying.



The stewards issued the Red Bull driver with a one-place grid penalty. He will therefore start from second place behind George Russell

Race control announced before the end of today’s qualifying session the Red Bull driver was under investigation for his driving prior to his final flying lap. Russell complained the Red Bull driver held him up and forced him wide by going too slowly.
Drivers are required to obey a maximum time between the Safety Car lines after the pit lane exit and before the entrance. Verstappen was passed by Alonso, Norris and Russell as he prepared to begin his final lap.
Russell came close to colliding with Verstappen as he passed the Red Bull driver through turns 12 and 13. He complained on his radio it was “super-dangerous by Verstappen.”
Although neither driver was on a flying lap at the time of the incident, the stewards agreed with Russell’s claim that Verstappen was driving too slowly on the racing line.
“Car one [Verstappen] was on a different preparation strategy to that of car 63 [Russell],” they noted. “Car one was well outside of the delta and the driver of car one explained he had let cars four [Norris] and 14 [Alonso] past.


“The driver of car 63 claimed that he had adhered to the delta and did not expect car one to be on the racing line. He stated that if a car was going slow in a high-speed corner, it should not be on the racing line.
“The stewards regard this case as a complicated one in that clearly car one did not comply with the race director’s Event Notes and clearly was driving, in our determination, unnecessarily slowly considering the circumstances.
“It was obvious the driver of car one was attempting to cool his tyres. He also could see car 63 approaching as he looked in his mirror multiple times whilst on the small straight between turns 11 and 12.
“Unusually, this incident occurred when neither car was on a push lap. Had car 63 been on a push lap, the penalty would have most likely been the usual three grid position penalty, however in mitigation of penalty, it was obvious that the driver of car 63 had clear visibility of car one and that neither car was on a push lap.”
Verstappen said he slowed down at that point on the track because other cars ahead of him had backed off. “There were two cars in front of me also making a gap, so I had to make a gap,” he said. “And I knew that everyone was on a slow lap, not on a push lap.
“Then I think George got excited. He wanted to pass and get around. That’s fine, everyone of course tries to get their position, to have the best possible start to the lap.”
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Russell, sitting with Verstappen in the press conference, said he was “following my delta” time. “I didn’t want to get penalised because we’re told to follow the delta.”
The stewards also handed Verstappen one penalty point on his licence. He is now on six for the current 12-month period.
One-place grid penalties are rare in Formula 1, but not unprecedented. Nico Hulkenberg received a one-place grid drop at the German Grand Prix in 2016.

 

[Coronis]

Well… that was certainly eventful.

 

[Thala_0710]

Norris penalty too harsh?

 

[Spikey]

It's hard to imagine the same act getting the same penalty if it was the second race of the season....

 

[Spikey]

Also lol at whatever game Alpine is playing, which may need a rethink now that they're within touching distance of P6

 

[Coronis]

Also lol at whatever game Alpine is playing, which may need a rethink now that they're within touching distance of P6

Apparently Doohan might be racing instead of Ocon in Abu Dhabi.

 

[Flem274*]

Gasly having a great season ending.

The debris thing was funny. First time I've seen a series not go full instant safety car for the smallest speck of debris on track to spice the race up.

**** day for RB. After their usual turn 1 dive bombing both cars went backwards.

 

[Coronis]

Gasly having a great season ending.

The debris thing was funny. First time I've seen a series not go full instant safety car for the smallest speck of debris on track to spice the race up.

**** day for RB. After their usual turn 1 dive bombing both cars went backwards.

Honestly, sometimes Tsunoda shows promise but I don’t think he’s ever been top team material. From what I’ve seen from Lawson this year, he’s not ready yet either. But again Red Bull really can’t stick with Perez although I’m seeing why they have. You’d think them coming third this year will encourage them to change something but then again I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t.

 

[kyear2]

Honestly, sometimes Tsunoda shows promise but I don’t think he’s ever been top team material. From what I’ve seen from Lawson this year, he’s not ready yet either. But again Red Bull really can’t stick with Perez although I’m seeing why they have. You’d think them coming third this year will encourage them to change something but then again I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t.

It would be instructive to know if the Checo endorsement money is comparable to the monies lost from not winning the constructors.

Don't see how he's kept next year, he's literally. He's literally awful at this point.

 

[Qlder]

So if Perez was only re-signed by Red Bull because of the sponsorship millions he brought with him, then doesn't that mean he's just like Stroll in that he basically bought his F1 seat rather than earned it?

 

[Coronis]

It would be instructive to know if the Checo endorsement money is comparable to the monies lost from not winning the constructors.

Don't see how he's kept next year, he's literally. He's literally awful at this point.

I’ve heard roughly 30 million. According to articles last year it was roughly 140 million for 1st place and 121 for 3rd.

 

[Coronis]

“Obviously, as soon as Esteban announced he was he was off to Haas, I think, obviously you always have the constant sanity check of, ‘what’s the right solution?’

Heh, I hadn’t even thought about this for the post Brazil races, but there has seemed to be a massive gap between the pace of the two since then.

 

[Furball]

Honestly, sometimes Tsunoda shows promise but I don’t think he’s ever been top team material. From what I’ve seen from Lawson this year, he’s not ready yet either. But again Red Bull really can’t stick with Perez although I’m seeing why they have. You’d think them coming third this year will encourage them to change something but then again I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t.

I don't think Red Bull have had particularly great drivers within their stable since Verstappen and Sainz were team-mates at Toro Rosso. Their junior drivers and driver management since then hasn't been up to scratch.

Perez is beyond awful, given how poorly they treated a number of their drivers between 2016 and 2020 it amazes me he's been allowed to stink the joint out for so long. The fact Red Bull will finish 3rd in the constructors despite Max being 80 points clear of Norris in the drivers standings is a total joke.

I think you have to go back to Kovalainen in 2008 to find such a massive gap between team-mates in a top car.

 

[Coronis]

Nico ****ing Hulkenberg

 

[Coronis]

ofc he got a ****ing penalty smh.

C’mon Hulk this is it. Lets hope for some chaos out the front and Hulk podium.