Andy Flower vs Alan Knott

[kyear2]

Ok, their wicket-keeping takes are even worse.

Kimber had to keep reminding them that keeping is important and cricket started before 1990.

Qazi had Dhoni and Boucher 5th and 6th all time. Like wtf. Kimber was having a stroke.

Kimber did have a good point on Ames, he had a bigger gap for his batting than his peers than Gilly and he was truly the leader of the batsman keeper revolution, though he could also actually keep.

If I have to take a look at anyone besides Gilly and Knott, it would be Ames.

 

[kyear2]

Not everyone can be a CW nerd.

Dude, it's a cricket podcast. What the **** are you talking about?

 

[subshakerz]

Ok, their wicket-keeping takes are even worse.

Kimber had to keep reminding them that keeping is important and cricket started before 1990.

Qazi had Dhoni and Boucher 5th and 6th all time. Like wtf. Kimber was having a stroke.

Kimber did have a good point on Ames, he had a bigger gap for his batting than his peers than Gilly and he was truly the leader of the batsman keeper revolution, though he could also actually keep.

If I have to take a look at anyone besides Gilly and Knott, it would be Ames.

Yeah Kimber is really knowledgeable about early era cricketers. I learn quite a bit from this smart alec.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah, Kimber saved the wicket-keeping episode. Talking about Healy and Taylor.

 

[subshakerz]

Dude, it's a cricket podcast. What the **** are you talking about?

Yeah I am bothered that if you aren't at least somewhat familiar with cricket history you will weigh down these lists.

Like for greatest openers, Kimber picked Hobbs, then Hutton, like we would. The others picked guys like Hayden and G. Smith.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah I am bothered that if you aren't at least somewhat familiar with cricket history you will weigh down these lists.

Like for greatest openers, Kimber picked Hobbs, then Hutton, like we would. The others picked guys like Hayden and G. Smith.

The guy in the middle is useless.

 

[OverratedSanity]

yeah but not as good as Jamie smith or rishabh pant or Alex Carey or Liton Das.

On what basis is their batting being stated as better as though it's obvious. Carey averages 31 and Smith has played 9 games.

 

[subshakerz]

The guy in the middle is useless.

Please watch their Greatest All-Rounder List. Kimber makes some excellent points on folks we debate on.

 

[kyear2]

Please watch their Greatest All-Rounder List. Kimber makes some excellent points on folks we debate on.

I've watched the captaincy and greatest fielder lists. You especially wouldn't enjoy the Captain's one. But I enjoyed the general discussion.

I only watched the top 4 or so of the all rounder lists, will get to the remainder later, but especially liked the "not out bandit" label which he applied to a certain cricketer.

 

[subshakerz]

I've watched the captaincy and greatest fielder lists. You especially wouldn't enjoy the Captain's one. But I enjoyed the general discussion.

I saw the captains one. Frankly was another poor one aside from Jarrod. Like Steve Waugh? Seriously.

I only watched the top 4 or so of the all rounder lists, will get to the remainder later, but especially liked the "not out bandit" label which he applied to a certain cricketer.

Hey, nobody denies that about Immie but he still got No.2. But then Kallis got called less of an athlete since he was only a begrudging AR.

 

[kyear2]

I saw the captains one. Frankly was another poor one aside from Jarrod. Like Steve Waugh? Seriously.


Hey, nobody denies that about Immie but he still got No.2. But then Kallis got called less of an athlete since he was only a begrudging AR.

I was half asleep while listening. Will give it another go tonight.

Have I ever rated Imran lower than that? The most I've said is that While I rated Imran the better all rounder, I rate Hadlee the better cricketer, and I could be wrong, but vaguely recall him saying something similar.

Begrudgingly or not, wasn't he still no. 3?

In any event, the other two hosts are like, but I'm enjoying listening to his views.

Also, he never called Flowers's keeping good. And in the wicketkeeper ratings he had him clearly behind Gilly's. Though I don't think he rates Gilly's very highly either. Well not compared to Taylor, Knott, Jayawardene and Healy.

 

[BazBall21]

He was a good enough bat to actually.

Averaged above 40 away from home. Struggled in England though. Wonder how much of that is a statistical quirk or he just didn't thrive in English conditions

 

[sayon basak]

Alan Knott wouldn’t make the current English team (or the Indian team, or the Australian team, or the Bangladesh team)

It's stupid to say that a batter averaging 41 at no.7 while being great as a keeper wouldn't get chance in a BD team.

 

[Line and Length]

It's stupid to say that a batter averaging 41 at no.7 while being great as a keeper wouldn't get chance in a BD team.

"Stupid" being the operative word.

 

[ma1978]

Alan Knott averaged 32. Liton Das averages 34 in a less batter friendly era with a higher century rate. The keeping difference isn’t worth it.

And no there’s zero chance he gets picked over Jamie Smith today.

I agree he was the best of an era where wicketkeepers didn’t have to bat very well. The World has changed, for the better

 

[PlayerComparisons]

The 60s and early to mid 70s weren’t that tough for batting I think. Knott probably would have averaged in the 20s playing his entire career in the 80s and 90s.

 

[ma1978]

The 60s and early to mid 70s weren’t that tough for batting I think. Knott probably would have averaged in the 20s playing his entire career in the 80s and 90s.

it was a joke era. Cricket almost died because it was so boring.

 

[subshakerz]

Alan Knott averaged 32. Liton Das averages 34 in a less batter friendly era with a higher century rate. The keeping difference isn’t worth it.

And no there’s zero chance he gets picked over Jamie Smith today.

I agree he was the best of an era where wicketkeepers didn’t have to bat very well. The World has changed, for the better

Knott played in a really tough batting era of uncovered wickets. He should have a mid 30s average

 

[sayon basak]

Alan Knott averaged 32. Liton Das averages 34 in a less batter friendly era with a higher century rate. The keeping difference isn’t worth it.

And no there’s zero chance he gets picked over Jamie Smith today.

I agree he was the best of an era where wicketkeepers didn’t have to bat very well. The World has changed, for the better

Then take a specialist 50 averaging batter to do the keeping. Surely the difference is still "not worth it" I'd guess? And Who cares for a safe keeper behind the stumps, right?

 

[Johan]

Today should be revealing to how impactful catching ability is.