ODIs : Sachin vs ABD

[DrWolverine]

Batting alone

 

[sayon basak]

SRT

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Sachin > Viv > AbdV

 

[Johan]

Sachin > Viv > AbdV

Viv is pretty undisputed GOAT in One Days

 

[DrWolverine]

Viv played one day cricket at its infancy. He was the undisputed best back then but I rate Sachin higher for his consistency and longevity.

 

[Johan]

Viv played one day cricket at its infancy. He was the undisputed best back then but I rate Sachin higher for his consistency and longevity.

That's more of a plus for him, the game has constantly been tailored toward being more batter friendly, like today people averaging 55 aren't rated anywhere near 42 avg of yesterday in ODI.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

That's more of a plus for him, the game has constantly been tailored toward being more batter friendly, like today people averaging 55 aren't rated anywhere near 42 avg of yesterday in ODI.

Viv, Abbas and Kapil wouldn't be Anomalies in 90s.
Btw Sachin was Anomaly among openers until 96 WC. He was striking at 94 and 2nd best Jayasuriya was striking at 78.

Sachin had to control his game unlike Viv, because he was the only Match winner in his team.Sachin was doing triple duty of Anchor, accumulator and Attacker.

 

[Johan]

Viv, Abbas and Kapil wouldn't be Anomalies in 90s.
Btw Sachin was Anomaly among openers until 96 WC. He was striking at 94 and 2nd best Jayasuriya was striking at 78.

Sachin had to control his game unlike Viv, because he was the only Match winner in his team.Sachin was doing triple duty of Anchor, accumulator and Attacker.

They probably would be

90s became easier for batting, Viv could anchor and Viv could accumulate but at the end all that matters is the runs and Viv averaged higher and played faster in the tougher era, his output would be > anyone in 90s and his SR would be >> so Yeah, Viv is the ODI GOAT.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

They probably would be

90s became easier for batting, Viv could anchor and Viv could accumulate but at the end all that matters is the runs and Viv averaged higher and played faster in the tougher era, his output would be > anyone in 90s and his SR would be >> so Yeah, Viv is the ODI GOAT.

There wouldn't be average difference between Viv and Sachin if we exclude Sachin's teenage years. The difference between Pre 96 WC era and Post 96 WC is not avg, its Strike rate. And Sachin was averaging close to 50 at 94 SR as opener until 96 WC. Then Suddenly everyone started scoring quickly and Sachin become just elite category from Anomaly. Same would happen to Viv or Abbas or Kapil if they were playing in 90s. I dont think Kapil's SR would have been 140 in 90s...may be 110. Afridi was below 100 in 90s.

 

[DrWolverine]

If Viv Richards played in the 1990s or today, he would not really stand out like he did in the 1980s

 

[Johan]

There wouldn't be average difference between Viv and Sachin if we exclude Sachin's teenage years. The difference between Pre 96 WC era and Post 96 WC is not avg, its Strike rate. And Sachin was averaging close to 50 at 94 SR as opener until 96 WC. Then Suddenly everyone started scoring quickly and Sachin become just elite category from Anomaly. Same would happen to Viv or Abbas or Kapil if they were playing in 90s. I dont think Kapil's SR would have been 140 in 90s...may be 110. Afridi was below 100 in 90s.

I'm fine with Viv striking at 110 lol, his and Kapil SR is virtually the same, and Yeah Jaya impacted ODI batting.

 

[Johan]

If Viv Richards played in the 1990s or today, he would not really stand out like he did in the 1980s

If he played tests today then I don't know who is anywhere near as good as him in this decade, Root is by far the best of this decade and he is way off, he'll stand out even more as there won't be 4-5 ATGs and a bunch of ATVGs to play with, like two at most.

ODI, he'd just be Virat with 10-20 higher SR.

 

[DrWolverine]

ODI, he'd just be Virat with 10-20 higher SR.

So ABD?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

ODI, he'd just be Virat with 10-20 higher SR.

Thats AB or Sachin minus longevity.

 

[Johan]

So ABD?

he'd average a bit higher but that's not too far, No way he is averaging less than Babar bumass Azam for example

 

[Johan]

Thats AB or Sachin minus longevity.

even equalising eras Sachin doesn't get to Virat avg bruh

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

I'm fine with Viv striking at 110 lol, his and Kapil SR is virtually the same, and Yeah Jaya impacted ODI batting.

Lol.
Kapil SR is 5 points ahead of Viv that too after he slowed down in 90s. Check stats before 1990.. Kapil was 10+ points ahead.

 

[Johan]

Overall Averages during Viv's era and Modern era (taking Kohli)

Viv's matches — 26.45 Average, 64.58 strile rate

Kohli's matches — 33.29 Average, 87.79 strike rate

Era Adjustments — Viv's average would 59.0 and 122 strike rate

what maths tells us, not too far off tbh

 

[DrWolverine]

Lol.
Kapil SR is 5 points ahead of Viv that too after he slowed down in 90s. Check stats before 1990.. Kapil was 10+ points ahead.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

even equalising eras Sachin doesn't get to Virat avg bruh

When i adjusted stats for their eras ( peak 10 years or something i dont remember now )

Sachin, Kohli, Abbas, Viv and AB.. All averaged almost same. Kohli's strike rate was way behind.
Overall the best was Abbas with outstanding avg, outstanding SR and outstanding century ratio.