Kapil Dev vs Ricky Ponting

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[kyear2]

You can't over come such an enormous deficit of primary skill, especially in this scenario where you're just good in both.

 

[DrWolverine]

Ricky

 

[DrWolverine]

If this was one day cricket it would be close.

In Test cricket, Kapil Dev adds value to the team but Ricky Ponting can win matches single handedly.

 

[Bolo.]

You can't over come such an enormous deficit of primary skill, especially in this scenario where you're just good in both.

Primary skill is clearly the wrong way to compare a player to Kapil, whose value is clearly as an AR.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

If this was one day cricket it would be close.

In Test cricket, Kapil Dev adds value to the team but Ricky Ponting can win matches single handedly.

Its not close in either format.

Kapil easily better.

 

[kyear2]

Primary skill is clearly the wrong way to compare a player to Kapil, whose value is clearly as an AR.

I struggle to think of a scenario where I select Dev for a team over someone of the quality of a Ponting.

His bowling doesn't compare to Ponting's batting, and the runs he provides can't make up for that. Well not in my book.
Then there's Punter's fielding and catching, that just pushes it further it further to his advantage.

 

[DrWolverine]

I struggle to think of a scenario where I select Dev for a team over someone of the quality of a Ponting.

There is no scenario for

His bowling doesn't compare to Ponting's batting, and the runs he provides can't make up for that. Well not in my book.

This is not like Kallis vs Sachin or Lara

This is not like Imran vs Marshall or McGrath

This is not like comparing a Top 15 batsman or bowler to a Top 5 batsman or bowler

This is like asking if Shakib will be selected over Steven Smith or Ben Stokes will be selected over Joe Root.

 

[h_hurricane]

You can't over come such an enormous deficit of primary skill, especially in this scenario where you're just good in both.

Kapil's batting is closer to Ponting's batting than Sobers' batting to Bradman's . Kapil's bowling is way better than Sobers' bowling which is tbh the most overrated thing in CW. And yet, you consider Sobers to be a better cricketer than Bradman whereas Kapil is not close to Ponting.

I bow down to your consistency.

 

[Coronis]

There is no scenario for



This is not like Kallis vs Sachin or Lara

This is not like Imran vs Marshall or McGrath

This is not like comparing a Top 15 batsman or bowler to a Top 5 batsman or bowler

This is like asking if Shakib will be selected over Steven Smith or Ben Stokes will be selected over Joe Root.

Yeah its basically asking about a specialist allrounder spot to a specialist batting spot.

 

[Bolo.]

I struggle to think of a scenario where I select Dev for a team over someone of the quality of a Ponting.

His bowling doesn't compare to Ponting's batting, and the runs he provides can't make up for that. Well not in my book.
Then there's Punter's fielding and catching, that just pushes it further it further to his advantage.

Kapil comes close to getting selected ahead of Ponting in the team Kapil played for without factoring his batting in.

He also might make Pontings team ahead of Ponting. He's a better bowler than Lee and a pretty big bump in batting. The team may have been better off taking a downgrade from Pontings batting to giving more tests to guys like Lehmann and Hussey.

They are heavy outliers in terms of having no pace/ridiculous amounts of quality bats, but if you are struggling to think of scenarios Kapil gets in, you aren't looking very far.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

This is like asking if Shakib will be selected over Steven Smith or Ben Stokes will be selected over Joe Root.

Or Botham over Dravid
Or Miller over Weekes

 

[kyear2]

Kapil's batting is closer to Ponting's batting than Sobers' batting to Bradman's . Kapil's bowling is way better than Sobers' bowling which is tbh the most overrated thing in CW. And yet, you consider Sobers to be a better cricketer than Bradman whereas Kapil is not close to Ponting.

I bow down to your consistency.

Not a single part of this is accurate, truthful, applicable or even makes the slightest amount of sense.

But carry on.

And no, Kapil isn't close to Ponting but feel free to keep bringing up the same ****.

 

[kyear2]

Kapil comes close to getting selected ahead of Ponting in the team Kapil played for without factoring his batting in.

He also might make Pontings team ahead of Ponting. He's a better bowler than Lee and a pretty big bump in batting. The team may have been better off taking a downgrade from Pontings batting to giving more tests to guys like Lehmann and Hussey.

They are heavy outliers in terms of having no pace/ridiculous amounts of quality bats, but if you are struggling to think of scenarios Kapil gets in, you aren't looking very far.

You're suggesting that there's a team that existed in the history of the game that wouldn't have taken a batsman at 3 like Ponting?

To think that Australia would have dropped their best batsman and batting catalyst, not to add captain...

And for an upgrade of the 4th bowler? Who averaged 30 with the ball?

 

[capt_Luffy]

You're suggesting that there's a team that existed in the history of the game that wouldn't have taken a batsman at 3 like Ponting?

To think that Australia would have dropped their best batsman and batting catalyst, not to add captain...

And for an upgrade of the 4th bowler? Who averaged 30 with the ball?

Given Kapil is a better bowler than any Aussie over that period except McWarne and averaged 30 with the bat, it's disingenuous.

Also, you are suggesting that a team existed that would not had taken Kapil in the their team at 7/8???

 

[kyear2]

Given Kapil is a better bowler than any Aussie over that period except McWarne and averaged 30 with the bat, it's disingenuous.

Also, you are suggesting that a team existed that would not had taken Kapil in the their team at 7/8???

You think he was better than Gillespie?

And you're really saying that if I were in charge of that Aussie team if I would trade away Rickey Ponting for a chance to upgrade the no. 8 batting slot and their 4th bowler?

Not a chance in hell.

And for the record, not every problem, sorry, not any problem is solved by lower order batting.

Dude I wouldn't trade Walsh for Kapil.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You think he was better than Gillespie?

And you're really saying that if I were in charge of that Aussie team if I would trade away Rickey Ponting for a chance to upgrade the no. 8 batting slot and their 4th bowler?

Not a chance in hell.

And for the record, not every problem, sorry, not any problem is solved by lower order batting.

Dude I wouldn't trade Walsh for Kapil.

Yes, he infact was better than Gillespie.

You would not make many such trades. Many people in your place would infact, do

For the record, he averaged 31 with quite few not outs comparatively. Writing off his batting is brain-dead in this scenario. The difference in their batting average is of that between Kane Williamson and Ben Stokes.

Again, you won't make many such, rather interesting trades.

 

[kyear2]

Yes, he infact was better than Gillespie.

You would not make many such trades. Many people in your place would infact, do

For the record, he averaged 31 with quite few not outs comparatively. Writing off his batting is brain-dead in this scenario. The difference in their batting average is of that between Kane Williamson and Ben Stokes.

Again, you won't make many such, rather interesting trades.

He was not better than Gillespie, that one.

And I just want to be clear, you're saying you would choose Kapil over Walsh for the West Indies team?

Just for the record the Kapil over Ponting and possibly Walsh thing is only behind your Flower is better than Knott take.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He was not better than Gillespie, that one.

And I just want to be clear, you're saying you would choose Kapil over Walsh for the West Indies team?

Just for the record the Kapil over Ponting and possibly Walsh thing is only behind your Flower is better than Knott take.

He was, in fact better than Gillespie, that one.

Kapil over Walsh in WI, yes. You treating him as a bowler who can a bat a bit is again, disingenuous. Would you take Walsh ahead of Botham as well??

Just for the record, Ponting is ahead of Kapil, and I hardly think most people will rate Walsh higher. As a cricketer, I think a majority will in fact rate Flower higher. But hey, cheer up!!! This take of yours, in fact is neither close to Barry being top 10 nor Sobers being close to Bradman.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Also, you are suggesting that a team existed that would not had taken Kapil in the their team at 7/8???

Australia in the 1950s had Lindwall, Miller, Davidson, Johnson - 4 seam* bowlers who were much better than Kapil, one of whom (Miller) was a quality bat and two of whom (Lindwall & Davidson) were very handy bats.

*Johnson could bowl spin as well