How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[Xix2565]

In how many countries do teams have to show up with two seamers (at most) and three spinners?

Do you think that it might have something to do with the pitches?

Yes the pitches are tailor made

Why is having more than 2 seamers for a surface not as tailor made? Explain please like an intelligent lifeform on this planet.

 

[honestbharani]

In how many countries do teams have to show up with two seamers (at most) and three spinners?

Do you think that it might have something to do with the pitches?

Yes the pitches are tailor made

why the actual **** is it any different to pitches where only 1 spinner and sometimes no spinners are picked?

 

[kyear2]

Why is having more than 2 seamers for a surface not as tailor made? Explain please like an intelligent lifeform on this planet.

why the actual **** is it any different to pitches where only 1 spinner and sometimes no spinners are picked?

Think you both know the answer to that, but now isn't the time, so I'll leave it alone.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Despite their ages and a few deaths probably very well

 

[Xix2565]

Think you both know the answer to that, but now isn't the time, so I'll leave it alone.

So you didn't have a point and just wanted to be a bitch? Congrats I guess.

 

[subshakerz]

So you didn't have a point and just wanted to be a bitch? Congrats I guess.

He is being polite about it. No need to rag on him.

 

[subshakerz]

Maybe after this series, we might be entering a flat pitch era in India cricket.

 

[Slifer]

Maybe after this series, we might be entering a flat pitch era in India cricket.

Honestly, it's just one series. Not too long ago, India ravaged a decent England team. Therefore, I see no need to panic....about the bowlers. The batting on the other hand does need a little shaking up. The young opener has made a good start, interesting to see how he does in Aus. Rohit and Kohli need to make runs in Australia or they need to be dropped. Nothing more, nothing less. That heavy set fellow needs another run and if he comes good keep him, otherwise send him back to play 4 day cricket. Pant is fine and the lower order of Jadeja and Ashwin are fine but they are on the wrong side of 30. So there's that. Still India are still a top 3 side, no need to panic ....yet.

 

[honestbharani]

Think you both know the answer to that, but now isn't the time, so I'll leave it alone.

The only answer is idiocy, so glad we agree.

 

[kyear2]

So you didn't have a point and just wanted to be a bitch? Congrats I guess.

My opinion has never changed in this matter and have said this all before.

Also since you're obviously not in a state of disbelief, quite clearly level headed and not emotional right now, sure I'll answer.

If there's 8 traditional test teams and only two where for an entire tour one is likely to require 3 spinners and no pacers, which is the outlier?

Since the resumption of cricket after WW2, pace has been king and having at least one great one the new template to test success.

With the advent of covered pitches the balance of power finally fully tilted towards the faster men, with resistance only really seen from two countries. Out side of those 2, the template has been 3 pacers and 1 spinner to capitalize on deteriorating or last day pitches, and to assist with over rates, well at least since the powers that be deemed it necessary to hasten the decline of the West Indies pace dependent teams.

So yes, if in 2024 there are pitches where 3 spinners are rolled out, with the intent to benefit the home team's two spinners, what else are we to call it? How many instances in the past couple tours, where touring spinners had career best match figures, and match winning ones at that?

Not to add, it's short sighted and overall not in the best interest of the team. Your best player, the one that has almost single handledly made your team competitive and a threat away from the subcontinent, being somewhat neutralized.

So yes, in the past I've used other words, but I'll stick to tailor made for now. And those conditions does little to prepare your teams for overseas success. But that's hardly important is it...

 

[OverratedSanity]

Not to add, it's short sighted and overall not in the best interest of the team.

I didn't read the rest of your waffle but how the **** does this make sense? If pitches are why Indian spinners do well, you admit that's why we've been unbeatable at home for 12 years. While also doing pretty decent away (two series wins in Australia by the way, with the spinners playing a huge part) And being the best team in the world for several years. Any supporter would gladly take that.

For years people have argued the pitches India prepare are unfair for the opposition but now it's causing harm to the Indian team? Get the **** out , you are a mess.

 

[kyear2]

The only answer is idiocy, so glad we agree.

The current state on the forum where one isn't even allowed to comment on such issues unless it's in the service of the Empire is disappointing at best. ****ing ridiculous at worst.

 

[subshakerz]

My opinion has never changed in this matter and have said this all before.

Also since you're obviously not in a state of disbelief, quite clearly level headed and not emotional right now, sure I'll answer.

If there's 8 traditional test teams and only two where for an entire tour one is likely to require 3 spinners and no pacers, which is the outlier?

Since the resumption of cricket after WW2, pace has been king and having at least one great one the new template to test success.

With the advent of covered pitches the balance of power finally fully tilted towards the faster men, with resistance only really seen from two countries. Out side of those 2, the template has been 3 pacers and 1 spinner to capitalize on deteriorating or last day pitches, and to assist with over rates, well at least since the powers that be deemed it necessary to hasten the decline of the West Indies pace dependent teams.

So yes, if in 2024 there are pitches where 3 spinners are rolled out, with the intent to benefit the home team's two spinners, what else are we to call it? How many instances in the past couple tours, where touring spinners had career best match figures, and match winning ones at that?

Not to add, it's short sighted and overall not in the best interest of the team. Your best player, the one that has almost single handledly made your team competitive and a threat away from the subcontinent, being somewhat neutralized.

So yes, in the past I've used other words, but I'll stick to tailor made for now. And those conditions does little to prepare your teams for overseas success. But that's hardly important is it...

You are speaking to a wall, my friend. Games could be finishing on the first day and they will still deny any pitch effect.

 

[subshakerz]

I didn't read the rest of your waffle but how the **** does this make sense? If pitches are why Indian spinners do well, you admit that's why we've been unbeatable at home for 12 years. While also doing pretty decent away (two series wins in Australia by the way, with the spinners playing a huge part) And being the best team in the world for several years. Any supporter would gladly take that.

For years people have argued the pitches India prepare are unfair for the opposition but now it's causing harm to the Indian team? Get the **** out , you are a mess.

I mean, it was clearly a strategy that worked for India.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Your best player, the one that has almost single handledly made your team competitive and a threat away from the subcontinent, being somewhat neutralized.

Poor Bumrah. He's picked up 47 wickets in 12 tests at home at an average of 17. India have neutralized their best weapon and rendered him toothless at home

You blokes just type out any nonsense lmao

 

[OverratedSanity]

I mean, it was clearly a strategy that worked for India.

Precisely what I'm saying. 12 years where the team didn't lose at home, won two series in Australia, won multiple tests in every other country they played in ( bar NZ).

If the turning home pitches rendered the team unprepared for overseas tests , the results didn't really seem to bear that out did it?

 

[Bolo.]

My opinion has never changed in this matter and have said this all before.

Also since you're obviously not in a state of disbelief, quite clearly level headed and not emotional right now, sure I'll answer.

If there's 8 traditional test teams and only two where for an entire tour one is likely to require 3 spinners and no pacers, which is the outlier?

Since the resumption of cricket after WW2, pace has been king and having at least one great one the new template to test success.

With the advent of covered pitches the balance of power finally fully tilted towards the faster men, with resistance only really seen from two countries. Out side of those 2, the template has been 3 pacers and 1 spinner to capitalize on deteriorating or last day pitches, and to assist with over rates, well at least since the powers that be deemed it necessary to hasten the decline of the West Indies pace dependent teams.

So yes, if in 2024 there are pitches where 3 spinners are rolled out, with the intent to benefit the home team's two spinners, what else are we to call it? How many instances in the past couple tours, where touring spinners had career best match figures, and match winning ones at that?

Not to add, it's short sighted and overall not in the best interest of the team. Your best player, the one that has almost single handledly made your team competitive and a threat away from the subcontinent, being somewhat neutralized.

So yes, in the past I've used other words, but I'll stick to tailor made for now. And those conditions does little to prepare your teams for overseas success. But that's hardly important is it...

Am I misreading this comment?

The idea that decisions made by traditional cricketing powers should determine how conditions are in other places feels like it could be incredibly, incredibly problematic to me.

 

[Daemon]

Am I misreading this comment?

The idea that decisions made by traditional cricketing powers should determine how conditions are in other places feels like it could be incredibly, incredibly problematic to me.

Tbf to him he isn’t saying that. He’s saying it’s “tailor made” for spinners because those pitches are not the norm based on modern cricket history. It’s a bit of a meaningless statement tbh. I mean yes the tracks aid spin, no ****.

 

[kyear2]

I didn't read the rest of your waffle but how the **** does this make sense? If pitches are why Indian spinners do well, you admit that's why we've been unbeatable at home for 12 years. While also doing pretty decent away (two series wins in Australia by the way, with the spinners playing a huge part) And being the best team in the world for several years. Any supporter would gladly take that.

For years people have argued the pitches India prepare are unfair for the opposition but now it's causing harm to the Indian team? Get the **** out , you are a mess.

Wow, this is harsh considering your opinion means so much to me, how will I go on.

I stand by what I said, in that second test, how many overs did your best player bowl? If you're preparing pitches that neutralizes your best player seems counter initiative to me, my only point.

So with all due respect you're most welcome to **** off as well. We're all entitled to our opinions and I feel like they've been coasting on teams being inept vs spin and not having any of their own. When these types are rolled out, it narrows that gap.
But yeah, they had a great run at home, in no small part due to said pitches, which to me has been at best tailor made.

 

[ma1978]

Wow, this is harsh considering your opinion means so much to me, how will I go on.

I stand by what I said, in that second test, how many overs did your best player bowl? If you're preparing pitches that neutralizes your best player seems counter initiative to me, my only point.

So with all due respect you're most welcome to **** off as well. We're all entitled to our opinions and I feel like they've been coasting on teams being inept vs spin and not having any of their own. When these types are rolled out, it narrows that gap.
But yeah, they had a great run at home, in no small part due to said pitches, which to me has been at best tailor made.

they were also the best team in the world away in the past 12 years

and yes Indian pitches spin. They always have. Bumrah has most def not been neutralized.

you’re a joke