How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[ma1978]

The real story is the rise of pace bowling as a factor

 

[subshakerz]

My point is the pitches have not been a major factor outside of that one series against RSA in 2015.

SA 2015 was an outright example of extremely difficult pitches. To an extent Aus 2023 was like that too.

But the idea is that there have been more day 1 turners, even if they normally don't reach of SA 2015, and these have had an effect.

Even in the 90s, which I would say was closer to this era of 2015 onwards than the 2000s as far as pitch assistance goes, the pitches tended to be batting friendly the first couple of days before breaking down.

 

[subshakerz]

The real story is the rise of pace bowling as a factor

Yes Indian pacers have been magnificent in this era at home.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

SA 2015 was an outright example of extremely difficult pitches. To an extent Aus 2023 was like that too.

But the idea is that there have been more day 1 turners, even if they normally don't reach of SA 2015, and these have had an effect.

Even in the 90s, which I would say was closer to this era of 2015 onwards than the 2000s as far as pitch assistance goes, the pitches tended to be batting friendly the first couple of days before breaking down.

Eng 2021 was pretty similar to Aus 2023 as well

 

[ma1978]

Yes Indian pacers have been magnificent in this era at home.

I think a lot of opposition pacers have also done well

 

[honestbharani]

Nah.. there was literally one wicket in the 2017 and one in 2023 that were as tough as the RSA tour of India 2015. The Ahmedabad deck in 2021 being tough to bat was as much due to the pink ball and day/night effect as anything else. But even including that, it is just 3 decks in a span of 9 years.

 

[subshakerz]

I think a lot of opposition pacers have also done well

No they sucked.

 

[kyear2]

I think this statistically proves the point. Indian spinners are bloody good and they don’t operate on tailor made pitches. Otherwise opposition spinners would actually do much better.

Wow, I normally try to stay out of these conversations, but you, nor can anyone believe this to be real.

 

[Xix2565]

Wow, I normally try to stay out of these conversations, but you, nor can anyone believe this to be real.

That you don't get reality isn't much of surprise tbh.

 

[Arachnodouche]

I try to recall how wickets used to be in India 25-30 years ago and whether our past batsmen, good as they were against spin, were ever made to look as clueless, and as regularly, as the current lot, superstars and rookies included. The ongoing Mumbai wicket feels like it's fairly close to what's been the norm over the last ten years i.e. square turners from Day 1, but was anything of the sort found when Flower, Adams, and Hayden were having bumper series in India? My memory suggests pitches were very good to bat on in the first half and would deteriorate exponentially in the back end of the game. That gradient in pitch behavior seems lost today. All anecdotal of course.

 

[kyear2]

That you don't get reality isn't much of surprise tbh.

In how many countries do teams have to show up with two seamers (at most) and three spinners?

Do you think that it might have something to do with the pitches?

Yes the pitches are tailor made

 

[Coronis]

In how many countries do teams have to show up with two seamers (at most) and three spinners?

Do you think that it might have something to do with the pitches?

Yes the pitches are tailor made

How are they made everywhere else?

 

[subshakerz]

Wow, I normally try to stay out of these conversations, but you, nor can anyone believe this to be real.

Dude they call be a rabble rouser but this line of thinking is what I have been arguing against. That and the idea that WI or Aus would be thrashed.

 

[subshakerz]

I try to recall how wickets used to be in India 25-30 years ago and whether our past batsmen, good as they were against spin, were ever made to look as clueless, and as regularly, as the current lot, superstars and rookies included. The ongoing Mumbai wicket feels like it's fairly close to what's been the norm over the last ten years i.e. square turners from Day 1, but was anything of the sort found when Flower, Adams, and Hayden were having bumper series in India? My memory suggests pitches were very good to bat on in the first half and would deteriorate exponentially in the back end of the game. That gradient in pitch behavior seems lost today. All anecdotal of course.

Yes! I have been saying similar. Classic 90s pitches were solid first 2 days, broken down day3 and crumbly by day 5.

 

[honestbharani]

I try to recall how wickets used to be in India 25-30 years ago and whether our past batsmen, good as they were against spin, were ever made to look as clueless, and as regularly, as the current lot, superstars and rookies included. The ongoing Mumbai wicket feels like it's fairly close to what's been the norm over the last ten years i.e. square turners from Day 1, but was anything of the sort found when Flower, Adams, and Hayden were having bumper series in India? My memory suggests pitches were very good to bat on in the first half and would deteriorate exponentially in the back end of the game. That gradient in pitch behavior seems lost today. All anecdotal of course.

You have no idea what a square turner is, if you think that is what we have had in India regularly, and neither is this pitch the norm, simply because there has never been a Mumbai wicket that I have seen in my time of watching cricket in INdia that had low bounce. The bounce is always constant here which means the turn is manageable and you get value for your shots coz again the pace and bounce is true, even if a bit fast and bouncy.

Have never seen a Mumbai track like this ever before, so its the opposite of whatever this "norm" is.

 

[Coronis]

Dude they call be a rabble rouser but this line of thinking is what I have been arguing against. That and the idea that WI or Aus would be thrashed.

You’re both rabble rousers. Happy?

 

[subshakerz]

You have no idea what a square turner is, if you think that is what we have had in India regularly, and neither is this pitch the norm, simply because there has never been a Mumbai wicket that I have seen in my time of watching cricket in INdia that had low bounce. The bounce is always constant here which means the turn is manageable and you get value for your shots coz again the pace and bounce is true, even if a bit fast and bouncy.

Have never seen a Mumbai track like this ever before, so its the opposite of whatever this "norm" is.

Yeah this Mumbai pitch just happened to magically happen in this era.

 

[honestbharani]

Spot the salty idiot who watches no cricket and yet posts ad nauseum nonsense about it.

 

[subshakerz]

Spot the salty idiot who watches no cricket and yet posts ad nauseum nonsense about it.

Dude all your posts about me are ironically salty

 

[honestbharani]

Irony just died.