subshakerz
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Except the numbers you yourself provided lol.
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How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?
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What are you talking about????!
the numbers I referenced are obvious
there’s no change pre 2015 and post 2015
honestbharani
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He has proven he is a salty biased idiot who has not watched much cricket and only follows the game (read, post on CW) to satisfy his biases.
What more needs to be proven?
subshakerz
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Foreign spinners average less
subshakerz
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And you're the guy who spends half his time here writing about me.
it’s not statistically significant. They average less than 10% less and still average over 40. Indian batsmen also average less across all conditions. There’s no difference.
btw, I hope you’re not in a profession that deals in numbers
I've actually contributed to the debate, you haven't. You can feel free to leave anytime.
subshakerz
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Compared to the 2000s, it's around 10 percent. That's a decent improvement, it's not the same. That's all I wanted to show.
not a meaningful change. ESP in light of change in Indian batting quality
subshakerz
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Let's agree to disagree here then because I don't think we are going to change each others' minds. And thanks for the back and forth bro.
_00_deathscar
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God damn India preparing spicy pacy home tracks
fair enough. I will admit my perception of what I thought the numbers would be were different than the actuals
Daemon
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Those figures posted earlier do seem to contradict the actual observations (for me at least) which is that there have been more pitches where the ball has tended to take more turn earlier in the match, somewhere around the start of the Kohli captaincy period. The biggest exception was the England tour in 2016 iirc with the Yadav ton and Karun triple. Those were what I used to associate with ‘normal’ sort of Indian wickets from back in the day.
A 10% drop in average and more wpm is not nothing, but it’s hard to really use them to support the above observation and draw any conclusions. It also assumes pitches are the only thing affecting these averages which is just not the case.
I do think it’s a fair comment that in general pitches have been turning more and from earlier but the extent to which they have is quite difficult to determine.
Having said that subz is an idiot though and it’s clear he doesn’t actually want to have a proper conversation.
A 10% drop in average and more wpm is not nothing, but it’s hard to really use them to support the above observation and draw any conclusions. It also assumes pitches are the only thing affecting these averages which is just not the case.
I do think it’s a fair comment that in general pitches have been turning more and from earlier but the extent to which they have is quite difficult to determine.
Having said that subz is an idiot though and it’s clear he doesn’t actually want to have a proper conversation.
PlayerComparisons
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Both DRS and lower quality of Indian batting against spin could contribute to that lower average
subshakerz
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Sure that's fair.
honestbharani
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Pitches turning earlier is hardly an issue though. And whatever advantages DRS gives, there is also the counter of the home umpiring of the 90s. I can think of several shockers which played a key role in us beating RSA in 96 when I think we should have lost 2-1, not won.
subshakerz
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Why isn't that an issue?
Daemon
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I wasn’t really commenting on whether it’s an issue or not, it was just my observation.
Sure, yeah. But also maybe the average now is slightly higher because of Ash + Jaddu lower order h4x (which in turn may be cancelled out by our useless fast bowlers). The point is there’s a whole host of variables even if the pitches are the major factor and I think we can’t really draw a conclusion from the numbers either way when they’re that close.
honestbharani
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My point is the pitches have not been a major factor outside of that one series against RSA in 2015.