How would 80s WI and 2000s Australia fare in unbeatable current India?

[_00_deathscar]

We'd have beaten NZ if we still had Rajat Patidar in the lineup guys. Unfortunately no one knows what would've happened. A true what-if

Was going to joke about “better than Kohli/KL/Gill” but no, he sucks that bad.

 

[Xix2565]

What a hissy fit. All for me just pointing out that you were making the same point I get critiques for.

And now you are walking back your own statement on pitches that you brought up.

? You don't make points. You make dumb arguments.

I haven't walked back anything. You would know this if you could read and understand the words I typed.

 

[subshakerz]

? You don't make points. You make dumb arguments.

I haven't walked back anything. You would know this if you could read and understand the words I typed.

You did walk back and you probably thought nobody would notice. You went from 'pitches made these foreign spinners more threatening' to 'its not a big deal since all bowlers benefit' when you realised I used your argument on Ashwin/Jadeja.

At least stick behind your own point.

 

[Xix2565]

You did walk back and you probably thought nobody would notice. You went from 'pitches made these foreign spinners more threatening' to 'its not a big deal since all bowlers benefit' when you realised I used your argument on Ashwin/Jadeja.

At least stick behind your own point.

I didn't walk back anything, the pitches helping bowlers(/batters) is something you whinge about as a sign of a lack of relative quality despite it being applicable to everyone. The fact that you can't read clearly is a big issue, along with the lying. And you complain about being called out...

 

[subshakerz]

I didn't walk back anything, the pitches helping bowlers(/batters) is something you whinge about as a sign of a lack of relative quality despite it being applicable to everyone. The fact that you can't read clearly is a big issue, along with the lying. And you complain about being called out...

It clearly isn't applicable to everyone if you have to bring it out for specific spinners of a specific era pitches as you did.

 

[Xix2565]

It clearly isn't applicable to everyone if you have to bring it out for specific spinners of a specific era pitches as you did.

I didn't do that either? Are you reading properly or is this just a lie again?

 

[Arachnodouche]

I believe McGrath and even Warne would find a way to mentally disintegrate/big dick the Indian side of the last 4-5 years, such has been their fragile nature. Not so much during the early-mid period of the "streak" when all aspects were firing in unison.

 

[subshakerz]

I believe McGrath and even Warne would find a way to mentally disintegrate/big dick the Indian side of the last 4-5 years, such has been their fragile nature. Not so much during the early-mid period of the "streak" when all aspects were firing in unison.

Don't forget Gillespie. I would argue he is almost as big a threat in India. And MacGill too.

If it was just McWarne with Lee and Kaspa, I would favor Kohlis side as well.

 

[subshakerz]

I didn't do that either? Are you reading properly or is this just a lie again?

You clearly did.

Anyways, our engagement is pretty pointless so perhaps just ignore my posts from now on.

 

[Coronis]

You clearly did.

Anyways, our engagement is pretty pointless so perhaps just ignore my posts from now on.

I always thought this too.

 

[Xix2565]

You clearly did.

Anyways, our engagement is pretty pointless so perhaps just ignore my posts from now on.

I didn't, the fact that you want to lie about it is disappointing.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Lying can get you very far in life...especially when you're convinced you're telling the truth.

 

[Slifer]

How and why did India's batting start showing this type of home weakness to spin?? Australia, England and now Nz have all brought what I'd call ordinary spinners and they've been made to look like Jim Laker. It can't just be the wickets because spinning wickets have always existed in India.

 

[honestbharani]

The why can be discussed ad nauseum but the when is very clearly post pandemic.

 

[Coronis]

How and why did India's batting start showing this type of home weakness to spin?? Australia, England and now Nz have all brought what I'd call ordinary spinners and they've been made to look like Jim Laker. It can't just be the wickets because spinning wickets have always existed in India.

Coincidentally, Laker never played in India. (he did play against India, 8 wickets in 4 matches - in fact, 8 wickets in 2 innings and 0 wickets in the other 4 innings)

 

[subshakerz]

The why can be discussed ad nauseum but the when is very clearly post pandemic.

I think we can also acknowledge that teams have adapted a bit to Indian conditions as time has gone on with multiple tours. Lyon for example in the last tour was a much better bowler than earlier tours.

 

[sayon basak]

Anyways, our engagement is pretty pointless so perhaps just ignore my posts from now on.

This.

 

[Prince EWS]

How and why did India's batting start showing this type of home weakness to spin?? Australia, England and now Nz have all brought what I'd call ordinary spinners and they've been made to look like Jim Laker. It can't just be the wickets because spinning wickets have always existed in India.

I think it's a mixture of three things.

1. It is kind of is the wickets, at least more than you're giving them credit. Yes there have always been spinning wickets in India, but the percentage of real turners from Day 1 has really increased in this era. It's why I don't rate Ashwin or Jadeja quite as highly as some here, but also why I think Kohli's career has started to become a bit underrated.

2. Opposition spinners have much more exposure to Indian conditions and specialist coaching now than they have in previous eras. They're better at bowling spin in Indian surfaces now because they do it so much more often from a young age now that India has basically become the new home of cricket.

3. I do think this is probably the smallest factor of the three but it is still definitely a significant factor - this generation (and I'm including the Rahane/Pujara generation in this) of Indian batsmen just aren't as good against spin as Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman. There doesn't have to be a reason or explanation for that, you just get that sometimes.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I think it's a mixture of three things.

1. It is kind of is the wickets, at least more than you're giving them credit. Yes there have always been spinning wickets in India, but the percentage of real turners from Day 1 has really increased in this era. It's why I don't rate Ashwin or Jadeja quite as highly as some here, but also why I think Kohli's career has started to become a bit underrated.

Since when?

 

[subshakerz]

I think it's a mixture of three things.

1. It is kind of is the wickets, at least more than you're giving them credit. Yes there have always been spinning wickets in India, but the percentage of real turners from Day 1 has really increased in this era. It's why I don't rate Ashwin or Jadeja quite as highly as some here, but also why I think Kohli's career has started to become a bit underrated.

2. Opposition spinners have much more exposure to Indian conditions and specialist coaching now than they have in previous eras. They're better at bowling spin in Indian surfaces now because they do it so much more often from a young age now that India has basically become the new home of cricket.

3. I do think this is probably the smallest factor of the three but it is still definitely a significant factor - this generation (and I'm including the Rahane/Pujara generation in this) of Indian batsmen just aren't as good against spin as Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman. There doesn't have to be a reason or explanation for that, you just get that sometimes.

Agreed in all three. I think most could agree that Ashwin and Jadeja get some help from the wickets, but I think they underestimate the degree of that assistance on a more regular basis.

The quality of spin playing factor is also a reason I think that Warne and MacGill have a much better chance against Kohli and co.