shortpitched713
International Captain
I love how ATVG is such a needlessly obtuse acronym. I vote we keep it.
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Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?
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shortpitched713
International Captain
During Sachin's mini slump in the 2000s, I'd say it was pretty obvious.
Mostly Tendulkar was the alpha between the two though.
kyear2
International Coach
But that's my point though.
Lara had his slumps as well, but would anyone say Adams was the guy?
Sachin was India's best batsman, Dravid stepped up when he was in his slump.
He was the guy, don't know if I can phrase it better than that.
Re Garner, Holding had the new cherry, would also say more signature performances? Garner had better numbers, but Holding was seen as the guy till he handed the new ball duties over to the GOAT.
Don't expect anyone to agree with my rake on things, but that how I feel it.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I think there's quite a big distinction between Adams and Dravid though.
OverratedSanity
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Hot take
kyear2
International Coach
You know the point I was making.
And I may be wrong, but recall Paddums being highly rated at some point in his career, somewhere near the top of the rankings.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I know most people will place Adams only slightly ahead, I think he was much better. "Reached heights Dravid never did and was in the conversation for best after Bradman before falling off"
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
I know and don't agree with, especially since the majority of Indian fans seems to agree on Dravid being the best.
kyear2
International Coach
As I said, don't expect anyone to agree.
The best is taking over the mantle, not filling the breach during a slump the acquiescing the title again.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
So...... Your problem is Tendulkar was class again?
OverratedSanity
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This is just waffling at this point.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
The votes are pretty evenly split
Coronis
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I mean, Dravid did take over the mantle, that’s the point. Nobody expected Tendulkar to come back like that after the tennis elbow.
Was Kohli still the man 2020-2022? I don’t recall that occurring.
subshakerz
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Dravid could have retired mid 2000s and still be rated behind Tendulkar careerwise.
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Given the aura that the Indian spin trio of before my time have and the fact that Ashwin has a record better than them and Kumble then I'd say yes he is. I think after 500+ wickets it is fair to put him in the bracket of Warne and Murali even if he isn't quite at their level as he is clearly a level above all other spinners I have seen.
Best Indian spinner ever ? For me yes he is. So has to be ranked way up there.
Best Indian spinner ever ? For me yes he is. So has to be ranked way up there.
shortpitched713
International Captain
To be fair, there's a huge drop between Dravid and Adams.
And yes, it was conceivable that Sachin's form could have continued to dip and his career would peter out, but instead he got back to a really, really high level. Doesn't change the fact that for a meaningful stretch of time Dravid was the main man for India.
Prince EWS
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Yeah.
I can maybe accept the argument for him being an ATG Test player because he's actually an all-rounder, even though I'd disagree. But he's not an ATG bowler.
honestbharani
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Obviously the greatest modern spinner after Murali and Warne, in that order.
Arachnodouche
International Captain
If it's still 50-50 after 70 odd votes, the only thing you can say is...it's contentious lol and there's no convincing the other side. Stats don't lie and Ashwin's are pretty incredible (best S/R among all bowlers with 500+ wickets?). But then again, stats don't lie and his suffer in certain aspects we consider crucial in evaluating a player's prowess. Good time to close the vote IMO; you won't get a fairer appraisal than this.