capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Consistently only struggled in England. Root has as much struggle in Australia; and lacks Kohli's ATG one there; or anyone else really.
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Rank these ATGs away from home
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Johan
International 12th Man
that's a fair argument actually, Kohli certainly is ahead in Australia and South Africa, while Root ahead in Newzealand, Lanka and the Carribean.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, and on that note; Virat played in NZ 4 matches only; and SL and WI are clearly much easier to tour. Though at each other's home, Root has done overall much better.
Johan
International 12th Man
Yeah seems about a fair assessment to me, seems a lot closer than I thought it would be maybe I overestimated how bad Kohli's decline phase was, seems like a country by country basis.
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
I don't think Kohli has been consistently great in Aus though, has the ATG series, but bar that Kohli has averaged , below 40 in every other
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
In his decline, between 2020-22 (scored quite well in 2023, didn't played this year), he played 20 games. A single one in Australia (actually scored 86), 1 series in England (sucked as usual), 2 matches in NZ (was very poor), 2 in SA (actually turned out quite well) and the single WTC Final vs NZ (scored 40 odd in an innings)
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Having an ATG series and 6 tons in a country is good enough imo
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
His overall output in Australia is still Excellent. Averaged 40 odd in the 2018 one and was our best batsman in that disaster of 2021.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
The consensus seems to be Lara and Waugh at the top but Ponting and Sangakkara at the bottom
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Waugh
Dravid
Lara
Kallis
Ponting
Sangakkara
Dravid
Lara
Kallis
Ponting
Sangakkara
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Ohh it's definitely more than good enough. Overall, probably our best bat on tour to Aus bar Sachin
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Top 5 Non English tourist of SA imo.
Edit: Meant Australia. Elsewise it was a weird thing to say..... Believes Kohli is the best one in SA.
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Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Who make up the top 5?
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Tendulkar and Kohli are top 2 in SA
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Let me think......
Richards and Tendulkar are the most easiest. De Villiers probably, Martin Crowe and Kohli. A case for Lara as well, but his best vs Australia came at home.
Thala_0710
First Class Debutant
Richards and De Villiers in tourists? Ohh you're talking for Australia or SA?
BazBall21
International Captain
Anyone being last is harsh when it's six all time greats, but that is stiff on Ponting. Batted 3 and not at all flawed outside India and perhaps a rough decline but he had a very long career.
His relative lack of marquee performances overseas is easily excusable through playing for a team that were relentlessly steamrolling the opposition (particularly in his prime); which makes iconic performances difficult to come by as the team are constantly well on top and expected to win etc.
Sanga wasn't as bad anywhere as Ponting in India, but wasn't great in England, India or South Africa. I think his record is slightly less balanced. Could have put him last. Kallis doesn't have the marquee overseas performances of the top 3 but is an all-conditions run machine. Better in Asia than Dravid in Aus/SAF. Interchangable.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Australia.
In SA:
Kohli (best imo), Tendulkar (the only one close), Hobbs, Waugh, Ponting.
Edit: on the first comment I thought I wrote Australia, but seems I did SA. Anyways, Kohli I believe is the best tourist in SA, Tendulkar being the only one close with an honourable mention to Hobbs.