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Two of Indias greatest cricketers
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Ravichandran Ashwin vs Kapil Dev
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sayon basak
International Debutant
Also was a great captain, so obviously the better cricketer.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Ehhh..... Kapil was a good captain; not sure he was great one, especially in Tests.
sayon basak
International Debutant
Oh ok, I never realized how poor his win percentage was as a captain.
Coronis
International Coach
**** way to judge a captain.
You could be the greatest captain ever but if you played for Bangladesh in the 00’s it wouldn’t mean much.
sayon basak
International Debutant
The greatest captain, by default, wouldn't come from bd at the first place. Success is the only way by which a captain is remembered.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Agree actually. But if you don't have a good record as a captain, you atleast need to do something like win some important series by your geniuses, organise a disoriented team and change their mindset or create the base for a strong team to come. Nawab Jr did those things despite his horrible win/loss record; Kapil didn't.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Success doesn't always have to do with win/loss record though. Building a strong base for future, changing a team mindset, unifying a disoriented team, etc also counts as success.
PlayerComparisons
International Vice-Captain
Yea Ben Stokes is a good example. It doesn’t matter what his teams results are since he’s saving test cricket which makes him a great captain.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
And having a better win/loss record than if you weren't captain. Which is extremely hard to measure because we're just speculating - but it's what we're basically trying to figure out.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Exactly, like I don't think if Australia was led by Gilchrist instead of Ponting (I swear it's just an example, I don't have anything against him) Australia would had lost any more matches or won much more. Can't say the same for Worrell's WIndies or Imran's Pak.
Coronis
International Coach
Now, if they were lead by Warne…
sayon basak
International Debutant
Yeah that's a great point. Noted.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Not really. Fleming is considered a great captain but he is remembered more for strategy and calmness than win %.
Coronis
International Coach
Unsure if true
Arachnodouche
International Captain
Yeah, small miracle the bowling resources he had at his disposal especially while touring didn't drive him into chronic depression. Must be the stoic and earthy Haryanvi in him. And the Boost, naturally.
sayon basak
International Debutant
But then, his calmness or strategy wouldn't be appreciated if those didn't result in any success. Yeah, team success may not be a genuine way to attach greatness to a captain, but also, if you are a great captain, your captaincy would eventually translate into some sort of success.