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At what stage will South Africa choke?

SA to throw away a winning position in...

  • Semi-final

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Final

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • Oh, ye of little faith. They're going all the way this time.

    Votes: 6 50.0%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
Simply reading '30 off 30' is so shallow
How about reading 147-4 off 15 overs? If you're batting first, you'd be thinking 200 is on the cards.

I wonder what the Win Predictor was at that stage? I'm guessing in the 90% area.
 

ataraxia

International Coach
How about reading 147-4 off 15 overs? If you're batting first, you'd be thinking 200 is on the cards.

I wonder what the Win Predictor was at that stage? I'm guessing in the 90% area.
It was nearing 99% IIRC.

These days 50 off 30 is very probable, and failing that is generally seen as a choke especially in a high-scoring game. 30 off 30 is another planet. Chases which come down to these sorts of equations are incredibly likely to succeed.
 

Arachnodouche

International Captain
Maharaj isn't exactly a bunny either though. Sure he stank up the joint on the big occasion but isn't he more than handy with the bat usually?
 

cnerd123

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Maharaj isn't exactly a bunny either though. Sure he stank up the joint on the big occasion but isn't he more than handy with the bat usually?
Him and Jansen don't have particularly great T20I records. Keshav's SR is actually below a 100, Jansen exactly 100. Both are batting a spot too high in that lineup
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
Once Klaasen got out, the tail that followed couldn't even lay bat on ball on most occasions as they couldn't deal with the late reverse swing.

India pulled it back to 21 off 2 overs. 30 off 30 is not the only point in the match worth mentioning. India is allowed to play well and pull back the game! thanks to once in a generational bowler.

Typical choke is if SA had tried to hit out and kept getting caught out.. like they did vs West Indies. Here they batted more sensibly against reverse and if not for Surya's catch, SA probably win. They targeted the easier bowlers and easier deliveries.
 
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centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year

If the Miller's hit flies half a metre more, SA win the cup and everyone'd be like- "SA batted sensibly today, didn't panic, didn't throw their wickets away when it got a bit difficult. They targeted the loose balls and weaker bowlers like Pandya which paid off."

How the narrative changes just because they lost. Ultimately their sensible batting didn't pay off. So they should have tried to "hit out", just like they have always done? 8-)
 
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srbhkshk

International Captain
If the Miller's hit flies half a metre more, SA win the cup and everyone'd be like- "SA batted sensibly today, didn't panic, didn't throw their wickets away when it got a bit difficult. They targeted the loose balls and weaker bowlers like Pandya which paid off."
This has been mentioned way too many times as a certainty, they still needed 10 of 5, it's probable but not a done deal by any means.
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
This has been mentioned way too many times as a certainty, they still needed 10 of 5, it's probable but not a done deal by any means.
Absolutely this. They needed 30 off 30, to end up with 16 needed off 6 is just mindboggling.

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Dendarii

International Debutant
If the Miller's hit flies half a metre more, SA win the cup and everyone'd be like- "SA batted sensibly today, didn't panic, didn't throw their wickets away when it got a bit difficult. They targeted the loose balls and weaker bowlers like Pandya which paid off."
I think it would have been more like "South Africa almost choked, but Miller proved that he's a clutch player and saw them through."
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
everytime you don't do relatively well, it's a choke. everytime you lose a few quick wickets it's a choke. everytime you lose by a big margin it's a choke. everytime you lose by a tiny margin it's a choke. everytime things don't go as expected, it's a choke...

your definition of choke has become a big joke!
 

Molehill

Cricketer Of The Year
everytime you don't do relatively well, it's a choke. everytime you lose a few quick wickets it's a choke. everytime you lose by a big margin it's a choke. everytime you lose by a tiny margin it's a choke. everytime things don't go as expected, it's a choke...

your definition of choke has become a big joke!
The Poll even says at which point will SA throw away a winning position? I think your understanding of the word 'choke' needs working on.

The answer was with 5 overs to go in the Final.
 

Kenneth Viljoen

International Regular
It's a choke..
The target was not run a ball at the start, far from it yet SA got it down to that equation with 6 wickets in hand at the back end..

You expect to win from that position 9 times out of 10, the choke is SA needing 16 to win from 6 balls when the target at one stage was 30 from 30..
 

ashley bach

Cricketer Of The Year
If a South African says it was a choke then the chances are it was a choke. At very least it was bottled.

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OverratedSanity

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These debates are always a useless waste of energy. You can call it a choke or not depending on whatever dumb definition you give the word. What's not really up for debate is that they got themselves in a massively favourable situation and didn't manage to get over the line. They'll be gutted.
 

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
It's not the result, it's how they played. They just didn't look like attempting boundaries after 15th over until the last over. There were at least a couple of short pitch balls that they could have attempted to swat for a six. They just tapped those balls gently for single/double. That's choker mentality imo. Never mind the result.
 

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