Jack Hobbs vs Ravindra Jadeja (technique)

[PlayerComparisons]

You won’t find any ATG batsman in the modern era without a good technique

 

[capt_Luffy]

Well, whatever. Technically, Jadeja>>Steve Smith

 

[subshakerz]

Who cares about technique anyway? Its effectiveness that matters.

More NBA players should shoot free throws underarm. Rick Barry is still one of the greatest FT shooters of all time, despite his technique that many would scoff at.

The point of having a more professional setup is that skills are more tested without someone just racking up bonus stats. What could be a slight advantage in a modern setup may be massive one in the past when nobody was qualified to counteract a player and he faced a couple of the same teams.

And basic cricket technique has largely remained the same last 50/60 years or longer but Hobbs looks totally short of it.

I have a reasonable degree of confidence that Sobers could transcend eras. None for Hobbs.

 

[ankitj]

This whole idea of comparing techniques and skills of past players with current ones is farcical. You just end up discussing hypotheticals that leave none of us wiser about our knowledge of cricket and its history. We should remember the idea of "interpreting greatness broadly" when comparing players from vastly different eras. How they appear on granny reels is of no relevance, neither are their averages. Only relevant discussion point is in the historical context, how did the past cricketers perform, how did they influence the game, what legacy they left behind etc. All very soft and subjective, and if you don't want to indulge in that, just stay away. Statements about their techniques is complete waste of space on CW forum.

 

[ankitj]

Regardless, answer is always Jadeja.

 

[Arachnodouche]

Can't judge history from your present vantage point, you can only observe it. Who's to say Jadeja wouldn't just outright faint in his follow-through in the industrial soupsmog of late-Victorian England? Fine, you say desis are used to that crap so Jadeja just might be the climatologically bulletproof time traveler, but what about diet? No Indian restaurants, no curries back then, nothing vegan on the menu either for Gujarat's favorite son, so he'd be forced to eat bloodpudding and spend all tour on the shitter.

 

[sayon basak]

Well, whatever. Technically, Jadeja>>Steve Smith

Why does this sound true?

 

[sayon basak]

This description demonstrates Hobbs' technique to a certain extend- "It is sometimes said that Hobbs in his harvest years took advantage of the existing leg-before-wicket rule which permitted batsmen to cover their wickets with their pads against offspin pitched outside the off stump. True it is that Hobbs and Sutcliffe brought the second line of defence to a fine art. By means of it they achieved the two wonderful first-wicket stands at Kennington Oval in 1926 and at Melbourne two years later, v Australia, each time on vicious turf. But, as I have pointed out, Hobbs' technique was grounded in the classic age, when the bat was the main instrument in defence."

 

[subshakerz]

This whole idea of comparing techniques and skills of past players with current ones is farcical. You just end up discussing hypotheticals that leave none of us wiser about our knowledge of cricket and its history. We should remember the idea of "interpreting greatness broadly" when comparing players from vastly different eras. How they appear on granny reels is of no relevance, neither are their averages. Only relevant discussion point is in the historical context, how did the past cricketers perform, how did they influence the game, what legacy they left behind etc. All very soft and subjective, and if you don't want to indulge in that, just stay away. Statements about their techniques is complete waste of space on CW forum.

That's the point. Their record at this nascent stage of cricket can't be trusted at all.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Daily reminder, technically Jadeja>>Smith

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Smith has an excellent technique. He wouldn’t have scored all those runs in England and India without a great technique.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Love some great irony......

 

[sayon basak]

Smith has an excellent technique. He wouldn’t have scored all those runs in England and India without a great technique.

But still, Smith is not in the same league with jadeja

 

[sayon basak]

Daily reminder, technically Jadeja>>Smith

Steve Smith is a great person, But Jadeja is in very nature equal to God. I'm providing a bible verse demonstrating this

Philippians 2
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

The point of having a more professional setup is that skills are more tested without someone just racking up bonus stats. What could be a slight advantage in a modern setup may be massive one in the past when nobody was qualified to counteract a player and he faced a couple of the same teams.

And basic cricket technique has largely remained the same last 50/60 years or longer but Hobbs looks totally short of it.

I have a reasonable degree of confidence that Sobers could transcend eras. None for Hobbs.

Hobbs did transcend the pre and post war eras, and adapt his technique to suit the greatest of extremities: sticky wickets, lateral movement, bouncy wickets, matted wickets in SA(the first to conquer the googly spinners), and the insane gluepot wicket. He was a genius and has a greater chance than most ATG’s to transcend eras cause he actually did it to a greater degree than most

 

[Fuller Pilch]

He's raw, but shows some talent. Could be invaluable in shoring up the batting order of one of today's lower tier Test nation, like Ireland, Afghanistan, or dare I say Bangladesh?

1. Hobbs is easily top 5 and could be 2nd only to Bradman.

2. Bangladesh has a FAR better batting lineup than WI.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Steve Smith is a great person, But Jadeja is in very nature equal to God. I'm providing a bible verse demonstrating this

Philippians 2
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

It is actually 3 verses (Philippians 2:6-8), but what's the connection between Jesus and Jadeja?

Incidentally, this passage is where (the apostle / St) Paul explains kenosis which is "self-emptying in the incarnation".

 

[shortpitched713]

1. Hobbs is easily top 5 and could be 2nd only to Bradman.

2. Bangladesh has a FAR better batting lineup than WI.

Wow that's quite a reputation. I'll have to look into the lad.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Wow that's quite a reputation. I'll have to look into the lad.

You can't. He died long ago.

 

[sayon basak]

It is actually 3 verses (Philippians 2:6-8), but what's the connection between Jesus and Jadeja?

Incidentally, this passage is where (the apostle / St) Paul explains kenosis which is "self-emptying in the incarnation".

Just as Jesus humbled himself to the cross, Jadeja humbled himself to just being a cricketer.

That makes a lot of sense doesn't it?