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Are multi-format greats a thing of past?

Bijed

Bijed

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vcs said:
Hopefully we can attribute Anderson's run in the last few years to friendly pitches as well.
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Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Anderson's home success over the past few years has been purely down to assistance from the pitches. Atmospheric conditions have played a part too :ph34r:


But seriously, Jadeja and Anderson are pretty similar in that regard - both lethal in the conditions that they've honed their game for and have both developed themselves to be reliable, if less potent, in other conditions.
 
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vcs

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Yup, I've defended Anderson on here quite a bit, he's an ATG in my books. Any team could use someone who's that good at home.
 
Daemon

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Andersons disparity between home and away isn’t as bad as Ashwin’s tbf. Not sure about Jadeja who doesn’t really have that big a sample size of away games.

By away games I basically mean no so favourable conditions btw.
 
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Bolo

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Daemon said:
Andersons disparity between home and away isn’t as bad as Ashwin’s tbf. Not sure about Jadeja who doesn’t really have that big a sample size of away games.

By away games I basically mean no so favourable conditions btw.
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Ashwin is a ****ing finger spinner who probably averages less with the ball away from home as clouderson, while having a comparable home record.

And he's a better bat than any opener England have had between the retirement of cook and the glorious debut of leach.*




*my account was hacked. Either by sledger or alcohol. I can't be sure which until I sober up.
 
CricAddict

CricAddict

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marc71178 said:
Anderson doesn’t get left out of the side 90% of the away games.
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That is also due to conditions and team combination. India like other teams go with 1 spinner out of 4/5 bowlers and sometimes with an all pace unit. So Anderson is competing for 3 out of 4/5 positions while Ashwin/Jadeja are competing for 1 out of 4/5 positions. So, inevitably, one of the spinners will have to be left out.

Same reason why Root or Guptill struggle to find even a single bid in IPL and Williamson/Steyn get left out of their IPL teams.
 
ankitj

ankitj

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Bumrah on his way to be an all format great. Anyone else since this thread was created? It's actually arguable if Kohli still has the honour.
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
Fuller Pilch said:
His ODI record isn't good enough - (av of 28.66 and e/r of 5.7). He wouldn't be in the top 100 ODI bowlers of all time.
Hazlewood is a better all-format bowler than Cummins.
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depends on what the criteria really is for multiformat greatness

Cummins is much better than Josh in tests and tests tend to receive a significantly higher proportion of value on these forums and in general

Cummins in odis is good enough for the 2nd to 3rd tier level of pacers anyways, its a batsman friendly era and only 12 full member pacers have been better than him since 2015 with 50 matches or more
 
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Stefan9

International Debutant
Daemon said:
Kohli's there already imo.

Bumrah's also there depending on how much you value longevity. Cummins and Rabada could get there but their danger is doing a Steyn and being pretty good at LOs but not great.

QdK would have made it but he retired from Tests.
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How much do we need a keeper to average to be considered great in tests? Qdk ended with an average of 38.8 in tests and with a 46 ODI average, 32 in t20i's.
The argument can be made that he didn't as much as he was capable of but stats wise he should be considered a multi format great for me.
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
Stefan9 said:
How much do we need a keeper to average to be considered great in tests? Qdk ended with an average of 38.8 in tests and with a 46 ODI average, 32 in t20i's.
The argument can be made that he didn't as much as he was capable of but stats wise he should be considered a multi format great for me.
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my own highly personal criteria is for the player to be a great or top 5 in 1 format for a significant period of time and very good to world class in the other 2 formats. maybe even reduce the requirement in 1 other format if they’re peerless in 1 format

de Kock probably does satisfy that
 
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