Victor Ian
International Coach
I like it when Starfighter has no chill.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
You must spend a lot of your time here pleased then.
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
He's right though. The romantic accounts of Ranji inventing certain basic shots are wildly exaggerated. He just based his game more around them than those prior.
It'd be like saying Andy Flower invented the reverse sweep.
It'd be like saying Andy Flower invented the reverse sweep.
Victor Ian
International Coach
Or is it like saying that Irish wanker introduced riverdancing to the world. He didn't invent it, but he sure did bring it to the fore of people's minds. (What a sorry phase of history that was!)
Edit. Because that article says he introduced...not invented.
Edit. Because that article says he introduced...not invented.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
Same thing with Dil Scoop and Mac Scoop which some people credit to Marillier but poasibly pre-dates him as well.
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I simply thought the statement he 'introduced [] back foot defence' might have seemed odd and inspired a bit more curiosity. While styles have changed and maybe he was an early user of the more chest on style, back defence had been fundamental pretty much since pitched bowling, the rough 'natural' pitches demanded it.
Coronis
International Coach
He didn’t?
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Google says Mushtaq Mohammed in 1964 invented the shot.
Coronis
International Coach
I was kinda being sarcastic, but interesting fact to know.
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I know you were sarcastic. I just searched out of interest.
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CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
In India many kids used to play Stick and Stone game on the Road. Legend says that British when they were in India saw this Game and invented Cricket. Stone was replaced with a Ball. Stick and Stone Game Experts say that Reverse Sweep was invented long time ago so long ago we cannot predict how long ago.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Dude, I will let you finish but cricket has been around from the late 16th century and has gone through such massive changes from the ball delivery to the type of bat being used...... Who says this things???
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
British claim that lot of Sports originated in England but it wasn't. They got lot of ideas once they start visiting other countries for trade and eventually colonizing them.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
The oldest written record of cricket, agreed universally upon by scholars dates back to a court proceeding over a piece of common land in Surrey in 1597, where a 59 year John Derick testified that he and his schoolmates have played creckett there while attending Free School over fifty years ago....
The oldest reference of cricket being played as an adult sport dates back to 1611, when two men were prosecuted for playing cricket on Sunday instead of going to Church.
Look, I hate the colonist Britishers as much as you do, if not more. But this "cricket originated in India" claim is just plain wrong without any historical backing.
capt_Luffy
International Captain
Jamieson surely in??
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Forgot about him. Hopefully he can stay fit.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Historical documents written by British Anthropologists before 1950s a lot of them are proven wrong. Just because you see an information in Internet it won't become absolute truth. For Example : Earth is Round is what most Asians used to believe for Centuries. But many European and Middle East Kingdoms used to believe Earth is Flat. These People when they started trading with Asian Countries got the idea that Earth can be round.
You have to understand that People in Power will manipulate many things for making the masses believe that they are Stronger and Smarter. I don't hate British but what i am saying is its human nature around the World.
kyear2
International Coach
While the referenced part is true, be careful you don't take it to the other extreme, as I've seen a couple time already btw.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
what extreme you mean ?, British Anthropologists many accept this themselves. Its not my opinion. I am an Anthropology Student myself and there is concept called Ethnocentrism. You have to read books a lot to get the clarity.