Sunil Gavaskar vs Graham Gooch

[PlayerComparisons]

Who would you pick against an ATG pace attack?

 

[subshakerz]

Whats with the Gooch fandom lately?

 

[MexicanRiver]

The one who actually faced it

 

[capt_Luffy]

The one who actually faced it

You mean the only one to face the quartet??

 

[capt_Luffy]

If it was only vs WI, would had gone with Gooch; but his record against Australia is horrible.

 

[MexicanRiver]

If it was only vs WI, would had gone with Gooch; but his record against Australia is horrible.

Against quality pace- Gooch

Against quality spin- Gavaskar

Quite simple really. Gavaskar himself failed against Lillee led attack both for world 11 and in 1980 tour of Australia. Gooch was better against extreme pace and bounce. Gavaskar better against other types of bowling. Gooch had it tougher though because he faced more of those and being England opener is harder than being Indian opener.

 

[MexicanRiver]

Whats with the Gooch fandom lately?

Because it's needed. Gooch, Gower, and most England batsmen of the bowling era are underrated because of tough home conditions, which affect the overall average. You guys vote Sehwag ahead of Gower, which is a tragedy. Gower succeeded in all types of conditions against all types of bowling; he succeeded at 3 too. All in a tough era, he outbatted so-called great miandad away from home throughout their careers. Batting isn't all about flat and slow pitches. The ability to play in all conditions is important.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Against quality pace- Gooch

Against quality spin- Gavaskar

Quite simple really. Gavaskar himself failed against Lillee led attack both for world 11 and in 1980 tour of Australia. Gooch was better against extreme pace and bounce. Gavaskar better against other types of bowling. Gooch had it tougher though because he faced more of those and being England opener is harder than being Indian opener.

Not so much. Gavaskar failed in 1972, before he became the batsman he later became. It was when he was in the international cricket for only two years, and still scored two half centuries in the last two matches. And on the Australian tour, he failed in the first two matches, but scored a vital 70 in a successful 4th innings chase, and was given a lol worthy out. He also has taken centuries of Thomson in Perth and Melbourne in his first Australian tour and scored a shitload of runs in the last. Being a English opener is really harder than being an Indian one; but Gooch's record against Australia shows that he wasn't so invulnerable against quality pace as well.

 

[MexicanRiver]

Not so much. Gavaskar failed in 1980, before he became the batsman he later became. It was when he was in the international cricket for only two years, and still scored two half centuries in the last two matches. And on the Australian tour, he failed in the first two matches, but scored a vital 70 in a successful 4th innings chase, and was given a lol worthy out. He also has taken centuries of Thomson in Perth and Melbourne in his first Australian tour and scored a ****load of runs in the last. Being a English opener is really harder than being an Indian one; but Gooch's record against Australia shows that he wasn't so invulnerable against quality pace as well.

Gooch was weak against stump to stump inswing by medium pacers. He was incredible player of pace and bounce.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Gooch was weak against stump to stump inswing by medium pacers. He was incredible player of pace and bounce.

Then why does he averages 33 against Australia? Quite poor however you spin it.
Gooch was excellent, imo the best, against WI pace, but Gavaskar was no slouch against them either; and we really can't base it just on vs WI, or else Wasim Raza has a legitimate claim to be the best player of high pace.....

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Against pace maybe Gooch. But including spin, Gavaskar unquestionably.

 

[kyear2]

If it was only vs WI, would had gone with Gooch; but his record against Australia is horrible.

Valid point.

Also depends on where it is. Fast pitches vs pace Gooch, slower pitches Sunny no doubt.

Similarly spin is easily Gavaskar.

But how much quality spin was there in the '80's?

Anyways, overall Sunny.

 

[kyear2]

Someone posted somewhere that Sunny averaged below, was it 40 or 50, can't remember away from home in the '80's.

Anyone ever looked into that?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Someone posted somewhere that Sunny averaged below, was it 40 or 50, can't remember away from home in the '80's.

Anyone ever looked into that?

Yes he did averaged below 40 away in the 80s; but that's borderline checklist territory imo.

Valid point.

Also depends on where it is. Fast pitches vs pace Gooch, slower pitches Sunny no doubt.

Similarly spin is easily Gavaskar.

But how much quality spin was there in the '80's?

Anyways, overall Sunny.

Again, depends. Sunny has 100 in Perth vs Thomson and his 66 in Kingston vs Holding is also very highly rated. Gooch's record vs Australia leaves too many questions imo.

 

[kyear2]

Yes he did averaged below 40 away in the 80s; but that's borderline checklist territory imo.

Again, depends. Sunny has 100 in Perth vs Thomson and his 66 in Kingston vs Holding is also very highly rated. Gooch's record vs Australia leaves too many questions imo.

If that's true, it was below 40 away in every country, that's not great.

Thompson was a clear no. 2 to Lillee, and if I recall that was WSC days.

Re the '66

 

[ma1978]

I’ll take the guy who averages 50 over the guy who barely averaged 40. Thank you for giving me a chance to state the obvious

 

[Sunil1z]

The kind of logic I am reading nowadays, I can easily prove Ishant Sharma a better bowler then James Anderson.

 

[capt_Luffy]

If that's true, it was below 40 away in every country, that's not great.

Thompson was a clear no. 2 to Lillee, and if I recall that was WSC days.

Re the '66
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In Australia, Thomson was nearly as successful as Lillee. And no one the first point, you are breaking it down even into smaller sample sizes; but well, it was 53 in Australia and 46 in Pakistan.....

As for the 66

Blood and Gore At Sabina Park

“Kill him Maan”

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[Sunil1z]

Guy crying about England being difficult to bat and then goes on to vote Anderson as an ATG bowler

 

[kyear2]

In Australia, Thomson was nearly as successful as Lillee. And no one the first point, you are breaking it down even into smaller sample sizes; but well, it was 53 in Australia and 46 in Pakistan.....

As for the 66

Blood and Gore At Sabina Park

“Kill him Maan”

www.thecitizen.in

I'm well aware of what happened in the match, but I wouldn't say that scoring 66, while being dropped twice vs a Holding in his 2nd series accompanied by Holder, Daniel and Julien proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you were great on fast pitches.

Please note I voted for Sunny, but he was notoriously below par on quick pitches.