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Who wins in these ATG XI battles

The better ATG teams

  • Aus and Eng

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • Aus and SA

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • WI and Eng

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • WI and SA

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
    14

howitzer

State Captain
Englands batting is clearly superior down to 7 tbh if Botham isn’t there.
England have a clear and strong adavantage in opening imo. I think SA's middle order is very competitive with England's though and clearly stronger if batting either Botham or a wk in the top six.
 

Coronis

International Coach
England have a clear and strong adavantage in opening imo. I think SA's middle order is very competitive with England's though and clearly stronger if batting either Botham or a wk in the top six.
tbh I’m still undecided as to whether I’d have Botham/Knott/Trueman/Laker/Barnes or Knott/Trueman/Laker/Barnes/Anderson.

The batting is set for me tho.
 

kyear2

International Coach
South Africa for sure vs England.

With regards to the first one, I don't believe in the minus Bradman provision, but as it's used, WI.

Isn't it normally be seeds
1 vs 4
2 vs 3
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
South Africa for sure vs England.

With regards to the first one, I don't believe in the minus Bradman provision, but as it's used, WI.

Isn't it normally be seeds
1 vs 4
2 vs 3
Bradman is an anomaly so I wanted to make it closer.

Why is SA for sure vs England? Doesn't it all depends on how you rate Barnes?
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
tbh I’m still undecided as to whether I’d have Botham/Knott/Trueman/Laker/Barnes or Knott/Trueman/Laker/Barnes/Anderson.

The batting is set for me tho.
Out of interest, who is your middle order?

I am not sure who is more undroppable, Botham or Anderson.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Bradman is an anomaly so I wanted to make it closer.

Why is SA for sure vs England? Doesn't it all depends on how you rate Barnes?
South Africa has
Richards / Smith / Pollock /Kallis / Pollock / Steyn / Donald

That's a class above really.
 

Slifer

International Captain
Aus ATG XI (without Bradman) vs WI ATG XI

Eng ATG XI vs SA ATG XI
May I ask where these hypothetical battles are taking place? I assume neutral venues relative to the teams involved. For example: Eng vs Aus somewhere like the WI; Eng vs WI somewhere like Australia.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
South Africa has
Richards / Smith / Pollock /Kallis / Pollock / Steyn / Donald

That's a class above really.
England definitely have a better top and middle order lineup with Hutton, Hobbs, Hammond, etc. Donald and Pollock and met somewhat by Trueman and Anderson. Spinners also somewhat equal. Steyn is a big plus but then depends on how you rate a wildcard like Barnes.
 

kyear2

International Coach
A class Above:
Hobbs/Grace/Hutton/Hammond/Botham/Trueman/Barnes??
Strongly disagree there.
I don't include Grace nor Barnes and don't rate Botham in these scenarios. Trueman as great as he was was suspect away from the swinging conditions of England and Hammond didn't love fast bowling of the variety that surely will be dispensed.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't include Grace nor Barnes and don't rate Botham in these scenarios. Trueman as great as he was was suspect away from the swinging conditions of England and Hammond didn't love fast bowling of the variety that surely will be dispensed.
Richards hasn't truly proven himself, Pollock played some 20 odd matches, Smith isn't in that tier for me (though we can disagree on that one).....
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I don't include Grace nor Barnes and don't rate Botham in these scenarios. Trueman as great as he was was suspect away from the swinging conditions of England and Hammond didn't love fast bowling of the variety that surely will be dispensed.
Grace I understand but Barnes is hard to drop.
 

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