Because he wasn't that good?
No because as you explained its a mixed bag. If it was well outside the norm for pitches globally then he would have a case to be valued higher.
No it's outside the norm relative to Asia, again your argument. Therefore if Asian bowlers get bonuses for doing well at home, Lara gets bonus points relative to Asian batsmen since Faislabad is the "norm" in Pakistan and Asia. And wickets in the WI as you believe are more pace friendly overall.
What is normal? SENAW aren't a monolith. England favors swing, RSA seam, NZ both, Australia depends on the mood of the curators, WI ditto. And this isn't even considering team strength, era etc.
Can you explain to me why Lara doesn't deserve bonus points vs pace for performing on more pace friendly at home wickets (your conclusions) over Asian batsmen who had it easier. Don't want to hear anything about outside the WI because you lot dismissed anything brought up outside Asia....
WTF ?
We'll get to spin later. But vs pace, Asian batsmen, from what Subz's postulated seem to have it easier at home. Therefore that means to me that non Asian batsmen like Lara have it harder in his home country since wickets there again according to Subz, favors pace much more. So we're giving Lara bonus points at home, the same way we give Asian fast bowlers.
No , you should give bonus point to spinners of WI rather than batsmen. For batsmen it cancels out ( Either good for pace or spin )
It may be perfectly the norm relative to SENA. So why give any special credit. The whole argument is that there is an existing tilt towards seeing the SENAW averages as normative at the expense of SC.
Lol it doesn't work that way.
Why not the batsmen since we all agree (not me) that wickets in WI were much tougher to face pace on. And that's tougher relative to Asia. As a result, Lara’s amazing 60 or so average deserves more praise just like Imran's 19 at home. Since Imran had to who bowl on all roads in Asia (actually only Pakistan).
You destroyed your whole point earlier when you stated that WI pitches are a mixed bag, not as pace unfriendly as Pakistan but not exceedingly pacey across the board. In other words, every reason to take runs there at face value overall.
You don't really get the entire argument, do you? The argument is that on CW, we already do seriously take into account the impact of pitch factors on averages for almost all categories of players across countries and regions, EXCEPT SC pacers at home where it's glossed over.
Asian fast bowlers and SENA spinners certainly have disadvantage. And their actual average should be reduced by 1-2 points .
It does because your OP specifically said pace or are you going to edit it again to say all SC bowlers?
And by the same token, we adjust batting averages too, either explicitly or implicitly, when we notice the conditions are exceedingly friendly. It's not that difficult to understand, the only issue is that some are resisting doing so for a few bowlers.
Bro you dismissed my statement when I said that earlier. I even said Ambrose did well on the flatest wkts on the Caribbean, so I see no reason why he couldn't succeed were he raised on Pakistan wickets. You brought up some crap about swing. Then I countered with Walsh, and you said he cut it, as if Ambrose didn't cut it as well. All of a sudden I'm right lol lol.
Away doesn't matter and is irrelevant (Subz) and we are giving Asian bowlers bonus points, even when many are worse outside Asia. Same thought process. And a 50 run averaging batsman roughly equals a 25 or so averaging bowler (generally there are other factors).
You're overcomplicating this. We only resort to questioning overall averages in a country if we feel that conditions are outside a point where the player is then a strategic disadvantage or advantage in those conditions and therefore the average is unrepresentative. We don't do this for most countries and even if we question the overall average, we explicitly or implicitly have some measure we think they deviated by and its usually not very high.
And similarly. SENA batsmen should have their averages adjusted upwards at home since they're at a disadvantage at home vs pace.