Is Ravindra Jadeja an ATG test bowler?

[Xix2565]

There have been zero ATG spinners since Murali/Warne.

Zero ATG spinners outside of those two tbh.

 

[howitzer]

Wow, this is a new excuse to not rate him. Waqar, Walsh, Pollock, Warne, Davidson etc. should all not be ATGs by that measure.

Benaud was only good for some of Davo's peak and he was ploughing a pretty lone furrow when Benaud was off so don't think he belongs there.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Ashwin is ATG.

I think this deserves its own thread.

 

[subshakerz]

There have been zero ATG spinners since Murali/Warne.

Exactly. They are the bar.

 

[CricAddict]

Exactly. They are the bar.

Warne is a bar. I agree.

 

[honestbharani]

ATG spinners - Murali > Warne > Bill O Reilly > Ashwin

 

[subshakerz]

ATG spinners - Murali > Warne > Bill O Reilly > Ashwin

You really believe Ashwin belongs with those guys? I find it hard that anyone cant see the daylight between them and the rest of the spinners.

 

[honestbharani]

You really believe Ashwin belongs with those guys? I find it hard that anyone cant see the daylight between them and the rest of the spinners.

Yeah but you also find i t hard to understand cricket, esp. Indian cricket.

He is very much part of that group.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah but you also find i t hard to understand cricket, esp. Indian cricket.

He is very much part of that group.

What's your common denominator basis for calling a spinner an ATG?

Mine is maintaining worldclass standards comparable to pacers across most conditions globally, which Murali, Warne and O Reilly accomplished, along with rep.

 

[honestbharani]

Why the **** should spinners maintain same numbers as pacers? Classic case of someone who has no idea of cricket who just watches out of bias and hatred.

 

[subshakerz]

Why the **** should spinners maintain same numbers as pacers? Classic case of someone who has no idea of cricket who just watches out of bias and hatred.

That's my criteria.

That's why I am asking what is your minimum standards to qualify as an ATG spinner?

 

[honestbharani]

That's my criteria.

That's why I am asking what is your minimum standards to qualify as an ATG spinner?

Being an ATG spinner

 

[subshakerz]

Being an ATG spinner

So basically you have no criteria, just arbitrary selection. Got it.

 

[honestbharani]

Its sad that a game that is played purely for enjoyment is being broken down by spreadksheet criteria and biased hatred. I simply rate spinners who are the best of their times and are consistent match winners as ATG. Its really not that difficult to understand if you actually have played or watched cricket.

 

[subshakerz]

Its sad that a game that is played purely for enjoyment is being broken down by spreadksheet criteria and biased hatred. I simply rate spinners who are the best of their times and are consistent match winners as ATG. Its really not that difficult to understand if you actually have played or watched cricket.

Is Lyon an ATG?

 

[honestbharani]

No, he is just great.

 

[ma1978]

Guys - we had a thread about this, more people here than not believe Ashwin is an ATG bowler which is bloody obvious given the 500 wickets sub 24. That view is even more widespread in the mainstream cricket media and amongst peers, Some people disagree. End of story.

 

[_00_deathscar]

I think he's just short of being one, and not due to his home/away splits only. I think that bowling in tandem with Ashwin made his job significantly easier at times, and kept his home average very low for that reason.

Well that’s just nuts…

 

[Xix2565]

I think if you feel people like O'Reilly, Grimmett, Underwood, Gibbs, etc. are ATG spinners then Ashwin and Jadeja are both ATG spinners as well.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Jadeja >>> O'Reilly>= Murali>=Warne >> Verity > Grimmett/Laker/Gibbs/Ashwin