Steve Waugh vs Ricky Ponting in Tests?

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah I was harsh on Ponting in the other thread only in comparison to Smith which is not really a fair comparison. It's hard to really countenance some of the ideas being thrown around here like "batting position doesn't matter".

Then riddle me this, surely Laxman and Pujara; among two similarly averaging batsmen, Pujara is better. Right??

 

[Majestic]

Actually, Ponting's legacy as batsman is bigger only because of his ODI exploits. If there was no ODIs and only tests happened, Ponting won't have been rated better than Waugh by the folks who are actually rating Ponting higher now also.

Ponting was a more complete batsman with wider range of strokes, much like Kohli, de Villiers and Pietersen although he also has longevity and 50+ average in his career which is why people are willing to rate Ponting better than S Waugh.

If you ask me purely on Test cricket, I don't think Ponting is any better than S Waugh who fared better away from home in tough era of batting and against truly great bowlers.

 

[Burgey]

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Is there a food shortage over there or something?

 

[Sunil1z]

Is there a food shortage over there or something?

Why ?
You won’t be able to eat more than 2 .

 

[sledger]

The Chinese bloke I shared an office with in Southampton always insisted that cheese was a "lowborn food" and refused to eat it.

 

[sledger]

You won’t be able to eat more than 2 .

They're that bad, eh?

 

[Sunil1z]

They're that bad, eh?

An Englishman talking about bad food ?
Have you eaten your breakfast of baked beans ?

 

[subshakerz]

He'd average 50 if he batted three in those eras because he'd adapt, like all great players do. They're products of their environment and the conditions they grow up and play in. The only thing which is likely to suffer if he played in those eras would possibly be his strike rate, but the bloke also walked out against Ambrose and Walsh at Brisbane as a 20 year old wearing a cap and made 90, so maybe not.

I agree with this as well.

 

[Burgey]

Why ?
You won’t be able to eat more than 2 .

Just as well given the paucity of accompanying condiments. Ffs you’d be hungrier after eating it

 

[Burgey]

The Chinese bloke I shared an office with in Southampton always insisted that cheese was a "lowborn food" and refused to eat it.

Tad harsh on his part tstl

 

[Sunil1z]

Just as well given the paucity of accompanying condiments. Ffs you’d be hungrier after eating it

If you eat 3 or more , you will feel sleepy 🥱
So I eat 2 in breakfast before going to work.

 

[Spark]

Then riddle me this, surely Laxman and Pujara; among two similarly averaging batsmen, Pujara is better. Right??

I honestly haven't thought about it but there's more than a case to be made, sure.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I honestly haven't thought about it but there's more than a case to be made, sure.

But hardly anyone makes that case for him. And that too, after playing in a much tougher batting era than that of Laxman. They both even have similar away record, performing best against Australia.

 

[Xix2565]

The real question is would you have Rahane over Laxman.

 

[Spark]

But hardly anyone makes that case for him. And that too, after playing in a much tougher batting era than that of Laxman. They both even have similar away record, performing best against Australia.

I mean I assume that no one particularly cares. I personally can't think of a great reason to separate them other than Laxman's record against SA and the nature of his greatest innings, which does matter. It's not really about average.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I mean I assume that no one particularly cares. I personally can't think of a great reason to separate them other than Laxman's record against SA and the nature of his greatest innings, which does matter. It's not really about average.

Steve Waugh is by far one of if not the best back the wall batsman. And then by the batting position argument, shouldn't Pujara be easily ahead of Laxman. Waugh for instance performed really good away against India, England, South Africa and West Indies. Ponting's away record is not really anything to write home about.

 

[Majestic]

VVS is better than Pujara. Pujara is slow. It's not a same comparison to Ponting vs S Waugh. Ponting was more dominant than S Waugh.

 

[Spark]

Backs to the wall innings are great and important but big first innings tons are what actually makes you a dominant batting unit. On that Ponting was without peer in his time.

 

[Burgey]

Steve Waugh is by far one of if not the best back the wall batsman. And then by the batting position argument, shouldn't Pujara be easily ahead of Laxman. Waugh for instance performed really good away against India, England, South Africa and West Indies. Ponting's away record is not really anything to write home about.

Who’s saying one has to be easily ahead of the other though? You’re moving the goal posts here mate

 

[Burgey]

VVS is better than Pujara. Pujara is slow. It's not a same comparison to Ponting vs S Waugh. Ponting was more dominant than S Waugh.

****ing loved Laxman. Just a gun. And so good to watch.