Is Ravichandran Ashwin an ATG test bowler?

[Xix2565]

But I'm telling you as someone who has supported the team and been frustrated by their selections, that's literally how they've approached team composition. If it came down to a 1v1 between Jadeja and Warne, they're picking the guy who gives them extra batting because the actual specialist batsmen suck. It's why shardul got games ahead of our other specialist quicks.

It may be obviously wrong, but I'm telling you that's how they think and I don't see it changing with Warne who doesn't provide any real batting either.

Tbh, I don't think it's because of the batting specifically, but the pitches being offered. They're evaluating Ashwin vs the 4th pace option.

 

[subshakerz]

Doesn't change his point.

Warne had better bowling depth on his side yes. But OS was talking about the case for the current Indian side. Pay attention please.

I assume Warne comes with a rep that would make it hard to drop him.

 

[subshakerz]

Doesn't change his point.

It does. He is trying to set him with ATG credentials that he doesn't have.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tbh, I don't think it's because of the batting specifically, but the pitches being offered. They're evaluating Ashwin vs the 4th pace option.

It's kinda both but I lean on the batting side. Jadeja's has batted 5 on occasion.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I assume Warne comes with a rep that would make it hard to drop him.

He literally got dropped by Waugh for Colin miller. Isn't that worse than being dropped for Jadeja.

The decision actually was proven right too because Miller bowled way better.

 

[Xix2565]

I assume Warne comes with a rep that would make it hard to drop him.

As does Ashwin, hence the furious discussion at times when he is left out. So what? The era is different, teams now are capable of playing 4-5 good fast bowlers in SENA conditions along with the odd spinner, which is where the debate begins on how India should select bowlers.

 

[Xix2565]

It does. He is trying to set him with ATG credentials that he doesn't have.

Or you are trying to ignore his ATG credentials for little reason, this goes both ways.

It's kinda both but I lean on the batting side. Jadeja's has batted 5 on occasion.

It's always about the bowling. They have to take 20 wickets, and that might mean at times certain lineups are better than others.

Tbh, I always wished Ash and Jadeja played together all the time, even if it means 6 bowling options if necessary.

 

[subshakerz]

And this is where people perceive bias and have an issue. Just for the record.

I know. But it's not bias for me. I just have the exact same reservations then about rating Ashwin ahead as I do now. I am not willing to join the chorus.

 

[subshakerz]

He literally got dropped by Waugh for Colin miller. Isn't that worse than being dropped for Jadeja.

The decision actually was proven right too because Miller bowled way better.

Lol come on man, he got dropped after a shoulder injury when he was being too much of a jerk to not admit he hadn't fully healed.

 

[honestbharani]

Ah, now we have the broken toenail excuse. Of course, the fact that Ash played the entire overseas leg of 2018 (RSA. Eng and Aus) with sports hernia does not matter, obviously. Literally had to have surgery to get himself healed.

 

[subshakerz]

As does Ashwin, hence the furious discussion at times when he is left out. So what? The era is different, teams now are capable of playing 4-5 good fast bowlers in SENA conditions along with the odd spinner, which is where the debate begins on how India should select bowlers.

Ashwin doesn't have an overseas rep. Warne literally destroyed England. It's not comparable.

But for the record, I think picking Jadeja over Ashwin in England is a defensive tactic.

 

[Xix2565]

Ah, now we have the broken toenail excuse. Of course, the fact that Ash played the entire overseas leg of 2018 (RSA. Eng and Aus) with sports hernia does not matter, obviously. Literally had to have surgery to get himself healed.

Maybe you need the excuse to be an ATG?

 

[subshakerz]

Ah, now we have the broken toenail excuse. Of course, the fact that Ash played the entire overseas leg of 2018 (RSA. Eng and Aus) with sports hernia does not matter, obviously. Literally had to have surgery to get himself healed.

It does because when it was brought up about the Manchester test he failed in 2018, the injury excuse was used just in this thread.

 

[honestbharani]

I mean the obvious answer is obvious. Yet saltshakerz continues his salty tears. Its beautiful.

 

[Xix2565]

Ashwin doesn't have an overseas rep. Warne literally destroyed England. It's not comparable.

But for the record, I think picking Jadeja over Ashwin in England is a defensive tactic.

Warne wouldn't have that rep in the modern context though? Since that was OS's point. It's easily comparable once understood properly but you have to try first to understand fully the example being provided. You cannot continue complaing about stuff you failed to comprehend properly, it's not good behaviour.

 

[subshakerz]

Warne wouldn't have that rep in the modern context though? Since that was OS's point. It's easily comparable once understood properly but you have to try first to understand fully the example being provided. You cannot continue complaing about stuff you failed to comprehend properly, it's not good behaviour.

I don't think you get that Indian management don't really rate Ashwin as a threat overseas hence are willing to trade him off for Jadejas batting.

 

[honestbharani]

No, it means they want their spinner to bat top 7 as none of the 4 seamers they wanna play are good enough to bat in the top 7 and none of our batsmen can bowl any seam. There is a very clear indication in the fact that every time Hardik was fit, Ash played and not Jaddu.

The management wanted 5 bowlers no matter what, which means one of them had to be an allrounder who can bat top 7, and when Hardik is not available, the only option was Jaddu, which meant the 4 main bowlers they picked all became seamers.

I mean, it was the exact same combination they went with at the Gabba when both Ash and Jaddu were injured. They didn't play Kuldeep whom everyone expected to play and played Washy instead. And when presented with the same choice in India, they went with Kuldeep.

Is salty now gonna argue Kuldeep is not any good coz he was dropped for Washy?

 

[Xix2565]

I don't think you get that Indian management don't really rate Ashwin as a threat overseas hence are willing to trade him off for Jadejas batting.

I don't think you get Indian management period. It's that simple.

 

[honestbharani]

@Spark was earlier talking about bans. I am not sure why the forum atmosphere one is not applied here. This is not the first time subzi has shown his obvious biased takes on Indian cricket and cricketers and yet every thread in CC is the same old. Its fine to hate on Indian cricket, be jelly or envious or whatever the crap it is he feels for it but surely there comes a time when you realize there is no reason to post endlessly on the same topic.

I mean this is Richard levels of bad here. And I feel pretty sure there is more of Richard under the hood in subzi's posting which will come out eventually. It is almost as if we cannot discuss just about anything related to Indian cricket on here for the fear of this guy coming in and derailing with his blatantly idiotic and biased posting.

 

[Coronis]

Did O'Reilly really play on such flat wickets? England was worse for spinners during his era, and Australia was middle of the pack overall in terms of the bowling average there across all available countries then. Feels like it needs a little more scrutiny.

Only looking at Ashes tests here… spinners in the 30’s

In Australia: 10 matches 134 wickets @ 32.85
In England: 14 matches 195 wickets @ 33.89

The big 3 spinners of that decade:

O’Reilly 52 @ 24.59 in Australia 50 @ 26.16 in England
Grimmett 5 @ 65.20 in Australis 54 @ 29.50 in England
Verity 21 @ 34.57 in Australia 38 @ 24.47 in England

Lower numbers in Australia are due to Ironmonger (never played in England) and Fleetwood Smith (19 @ 24.36 in Australia 36-37 and 14 @ 51.92 in England 1938)

England in 38 was crazy. 14 tons scored in 11 innings played.