Harold Larwood VS Jacques Kallis

[Cricket Bliss]

This might be unpopular or controversial, but I personally feel Larwood was better!
Larwood was easily the best fast bowler of his era and at his peak was the only bowler who restricted Bradman to a human looking statistics from a herculean one. I guess that has more impact than what Kallis did in any part of his career, since it was the only Ashes which England won between 1930 and 1950 and the primary reason being Larwood.
Larwood was also handy with the Bat , His 98 against Australia at Sydney in 33’ was the highest test score by a night watchmen then. He can be a genuine 8 in many sides.

 

[jcas0167]

Not an apples with apples comparison. Larwood was a great bowler, probably better than Kallis (still an impressive 292 wickets at ~32) but in terms of their batting there is no comparison. Larwood averaged ~19 with the bat in first class and test cricket. Kallis averaged 55 over 166 games and has 45 test hundreds. His all-round stats are freakish.

 

[Socerer 01]

@PlayerComparisons he’s coming for yer job

 

[Nintendo]

Greatest thread of all time. Peak troll.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

Not an apples with apples comparison. Larwood was a great bowler, probably better than Kallis (still an impressive 292 wickets at ~32) but in terms of their batting there is no comparison. Larwood averaged ~19 with the bat in first class and test cricket. Kallis averaged 55 over 166 games and has 45 test hundreds. His all-round stats are freakish.

I think if Larwood played in the 70s he would’ve been in the league of someone like Michael Holding and with that calibre and becoming handy with the bat… makes a comparison with Kallis.

I still think Larwood the sole reason why England won the Bodyline tour and that too their only Ashes victory between 1930 and 1950 and the least impressive tour of Bradman… overall the impact he made at peak was greater than what Kallis made anywhere in his entire career.

 

[Nintendo]

I think if Larwood played in the 70s he would’ve been in the league of someone like Michael Holding and with that calibre and becoming handy with the bat… makes a comparison with Kallis.

I still think Larwood the sole reason why England won the Bodyline tour and that too their only Ashes victory between 1930 and 1950 and the least impressive tour of Bradman… overall the impact he made at peak was greater than what Kallis made anywhere in his entire career.

So hadlee>kallis>head?

 

[ankitj]

@PlayerComparisons he’s coming for yer job

This thread is not good enough to be in the subforum named after @PlayerComparisons

 

[Socerer 01]

This thread is not good enough to be in the subforum named after @PlayerComparisons

it lacks the concise prose of a @PlayerComparisons thread in op imo

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Larwood was the only bowler who restricted Bradman to a human looking statistics from a herculean one.

You need to Google Jack Cowie and Eddie Gilbert

 

[Fuller Pilch]

I think if Larwood played in the 70s he would’ve been in the league of someone like Michael Holding and with that calibre and becoming handy with the bat… makes a comparison with Kallis.

I'm a big Larwood fan but that would still make him inferior to Hadlee, Imran, and Marshall. Possibly not even as good as Patty Cummins.

 

[Cricket Bliss]

You need to Google Jack Cowie and Eddie Gilbert

Gilbert didn’t play Tests. His effect on Bradman was limited to just one First Class match, where his ball hit Bradman..
Don’t know about Cowie… if possible please tell what happened mate

Bradman only averaged less than 60 in one tour and that was that Ashes

 

[Cricket Bliss]

I'm a big Larwood fan but that would still make him inferior to Hadlee, Imran, and Marshall. Possibly not even as good as Patty Cummins.

Definitely not in that league. I guess with his pace and bounce and the impact he made he could possibly be in conversation with Michael Holding… That is too a speculation

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Don’t know about Cowie… if possible please tell what happened mate

NZ played South Australia in Adelaide in the late 1930s. Bradman was 11 not out overnight. A massive crowd had gathered outside and went home when Cowie had Bradman caught behind from the 1st ball of the 2nd day. The fans went home and NZ lost lots of money as they received a % of the gate takings.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Definitely not in that league. I guess with his pace and bounce and the impact he made he could possibly be in conversation with Michael Holding… That is too a speculation

So do you think Holding was better than Kallis?

 

[Coronis]

Too bad Larwood was **** outside that series.

16 matches 45 wickets @ 34.84

Outside of that one series where all the stars aligned (can you imagine literally any other top pacer bowling with that setup and tell me the result would be any different?) he could at best put in one decent performance per series and even those stats are inflated by his matches against SA and Windies.

Hell even including that series he averages 30 against Australia. Its like calling Harbhajan an ATG for that B/G series… except he also had some other decent series.

 

[Starfighter]

(can you imagine literally any other top pacer bowling with that setup and tell me the result

What 'setup'?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Too bad Larwood was **** outside that series.

16 matches 45 wickets @ 34.84

Outside of that one series where all the stars aligned (can you imagine literally any other top pacer bowling with that setup and tell me the result would be any different?) he could at best put in one decent performance per series and even those stats are inflated by his matches against SA and Windies.

Hell even including that series he averages 30 against Australia. Its like calling Harbhajan an ATG for that B/G series… except he also had some other decent series.

That's kinda unfair to Larwood. He was forced to retire from Test despite not being particularly guilty and Jardine retaining captaincy; and he averaged well below 20s in the County circuit.

 

[Coronis]

What 'setup'?

This one

 

[Starfighter]

This one

More specific word might be in order. Was thinking 'team administration, bowling action???'.

 

[Coronis]

That's kinda unfair to Larwood. He was forced to retire from Test despite not being particularly guilty and Jardine retaining captaincy; and he averaged well below 20s in the County circuit.

He was **** outside that series, how is that being unfair? His best domestic performances were also before that series - I wouldn’t see his record improving much even if he continued to be selected.