maybe try understanding the context of what is being discussed before trying to respond like a smartass from redditYes… Extremely awesome in 2015
Morkel 19 wkts from 8 matches
Abbott 8 wkts from 3 matches
both don’t have atleast 3 wkts per match and they were genuinely awesome
the dude thinks we’re talking about the calendar year 2015 and he still got it wrong since Morkel played only 7 tests in 2015 and not 8 like he posted
It wasn't that much of a thing before 2015 iirc and honestly mostly post-2018, the pitches we had in the Ind-Eng series just completed were much closer to the typical early 2010s/late-00s pitch, though those were if anything even better for batting.
Yeah this is a great point tbh. It probably means we need to split all subcontinent results into pre-DRS and post-DRS, because it's abundantly clear that post-DRS batting on pitches with any amount of turn and lowish bounce has become fundamentally more difficult in a way that was never true before. Even the UAE highways got a lot trickier for unaccustomed batsman to bat on because of the adjustments forced by the modern post-DRS lbw law.
Before if you were to put in a long stride (like Cook in 2012), you would likely get the benefit of the doubt as long as it wasn't plumb in front.
Cook might be okay because he was really tall, sufficiently so that he could probably get right out to the pitch of the ball regardless. But your average height batsman who liked to play with the pad in front off the front foot are all absolutely screwed by DRS, especially on some of the more spicy turners rolled out since 2017.
Great point. It's gone almost entirely out of fashion hasn't it? Only legside filth ever gets booted away these days. I can't remember the last time someone padded up to a ball outside off but that was such a fixture pre-DRS.
Ntini was in class form around then.
That's true. I only mentioned Cook because I somehow recalled the several clear LBW calls he survived during that series due to his stride.
Yup, this has most definitely been noticeable, and strangely a big decline even amongst Indian batsmen. Rohit is beyond amazing at it, as are a few others like Pant and arguably now jaiswal. But the likes of Kohli, Rahul, Gill, Rahane, etc. just either dont have the nimble feet or the confidence to consistently use their feet to nullify that turn.
Yeah, the long stride is a godsend now even more than in previous eras. Absolutely no coincidence Crawley has looked England's best batsman even though I dont really think his technique against spin is anything particularly special.
Even though it wasn't that much time, Cam Green actually looked surprisingly comfortable against Ashwin and Jadeja at Indore and did well in SL too despite not necessarily knowing what he was doing some of the time. It's definitely a considerable advantage compared to your average 5 foot 7 top order batsman.
I am usually loath to blame T20 for all modern batting ills - pitches have a huge amount to do with it imo - but I do suspect that part of it is the emphasis on the step-hit being such an important tool in white ball hitting these days, and even beyond that going down the pitch usually entails trying to hit the ball for six. The batsman like Pujara, Clarke etc who would go down the pitch simply to get in a better position defensively are rare indeed.
Is there any (non circular argument) evidence for this?
I mean, there are statistical analyses demonstrating how much LBWs have become more prevalent against spin since DRS came in but, like, just watch any old extended footage of how batsman used to play spin and how those front foot, hit on pad shots were usually umpired, and compare them to the batting death sentence that playing that way on most pitches - even Australian pitches sometimes - gets you today.