Steve Smith vs Ricky Ponting

[capt_Luffy]

Jones and Flintoff were bowling at ATG level during that series I think. Not sure about the rest.

I think Flintoff's all round performance was ATG; probably the best of all time, but not individually any of those were. Warne was bowling ATG.

 

[OverratedSanity]

you were still ****ting in your diapers in 2005. Widely considered the greatest fast bowling performance of all time outside the West Indies in the late 70s/80s

They were a very good attack but man this is an insane overstatement haha.

 

[Spark]

Jones and Flintoff were bowling at ATG level during that series I think. Not sure about the rest.

Those two definitely were, Hoggard was solid and Harmison's performance that series has long been overrated

 

[Coronis]

you were still ****ting in your diapers in 2005. Widely considered the greatest fast bowling performance of all time outside the West Indies in the late 70s/80s

 

[capt_Luffy]

you were still ****ting in your diapers in 2005. Widely considered the greatest fast bowling performance of all time outside the West Indies in the late 70s/80s

Ohhh, the greatest comeback of All Time!!! It almost sounds like coming from someone who is of the age to **** in diapers again..... Who the **** regards a bowling unit containing ****ing Ashley Giles as only second to the quartet??? Also, you didn't mentioned that in his rest of 8 innings he scored 200 runs combined. Would you call this series of Ollie Pope one of the greatest as it contains an innings a tier above of that one.

 

[Spark]

And like we're talking about a series that happened in 2005 lmao. Not exactly lost to the mists of time here.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

There’s some Aus and SA attacks over the last 20 years that are probably better than that English attack

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's not even the best English attack. The one in 2010-11 that had some combination of Anderson/Broad/Tremlett/Bresnan/Swann was better imo.

 

[capt_Luffy]

There’s some Aus and SA attacks over the last 20 years that are probably better than that English attack

There are some English attacks better than that English attack.

 

[Spark]

There’s some Aus and SA attacks over the last 20 years that are probably better than that English attack

The Indian attack since about 2016 and the Steyn-Morkel-Philander SA attack were decisively better IMO. Not least because they put together performances year in, year out, in all conditions

It's not even the best English attack. The one in 2010-11 that had some combination of Amderson/Broad/Tremlett/Bresnan/Swann was better imo.

Yeah this attack is probably my pick for the best 21st century English attack, especially with Broad in that form. The presence of Swann also makes a huge difference, you can even throw Panesar in there to cover the India 2012 tour as well.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah this attack is probably my pick for the best 21st century English attack, especially with Broad in that form. The presence of Swann also makes a huge difference, you can even throw Panesar in there to cover the India 2012 tour as well.

And it was a short window but some of the spells Tremlett bowled vs Australia were terrifyingly good. Would take him at his peak over Harmison any day imo.

 

[Socerer 01]

Australia, South Africa, India, England and even New Zealand had better bowling attacks that gave better bowling performances than 2005 England

and yeah lets not forget that the “greatest all time fast bowling performance outside of WI 70/80s” also had the “greatest of all time Murray Mints” aiding them

 

[ma1978]

Statsguru gurus, that’s all this thread is

In this case even the peanut gallery agrees with me

Best English bowling attack

Here are the three that I'm kind of familiar with. I'm not familiar with the history of English cricket so I won't be able to participate much in this thread, apologies for that. Since there isn't a thread on this in CW, I'd like members with good knowledge to discuss among themselves. You may...

www.cricketweb.net

 

[ma1978]

Australia, South Africa, India, England and even New Zealand had better bowling attacks that gave better bowling performances than 2005 England

and yeah lets not forget that the “greatest all time fast bowling performance outside of WI 70/80s” also had the “greatest of all time Murray Mints” aiding them

which?

which ones?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

What do people rate as Pontings best series? Maybe the series against SA at home in 2005/2006?

 

[Spark]

What do people consider as Pontings best series? Maybe the series against SA at home in 2005/2006?

That one or the SA away series a month or two prior. That or India 2003 (but if we want to talk flat pitches, then man...)

 

[Spark]

Statsguru gurus, that’s all this thread is

In this case even the peanut gallery agrees with me

Best English bowling attack

Here are the three that I'm kind of familiar with. I'm not familiar with the history of English cricket so I won't be able to participate much in this thread, apologies for that. Since there isn't a thread on this in CW, I'd like members with good knowledge to discuss among themselves. You may...

www.cricketweb.net

You aren't even pretending to bring up actual substantive reasons to support your argument any more.

 

[capt_Luffy]

That one or the SA away series a month or two prior. That or India 2003 (but if we want to talk flat pitches, then man...)

I think either of those SA series are a better shout than India one. On that series, every single bowler except Kumble averaged 35+, India's second best bowler was Agarkar and a lot Indian batsmen (especially Dravid) downhill skied as well.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

It's not even the best English attack. The one in 2010-11 that had some combination of Anderson/Broad/Tremlett/Bresnan/Swann was better imo.

That’s why Dravid is the goat

 

[Spark]

I think either of those SA series are a better shout than India one. On that series, every single bowler except Kumble averaged 35+, India's second best bowler was Agarkar and a lot Indian batsmen (especially Dravid) downhill skied as well.

Series like that really are why the assertion that the 2000s were somehow this era of anything but complete roads in Australia makes me laugh.

Now if you want to say that elevates Warne and McGrath to near demigod status for what they achieved on those decks then I'm all ears. But Australian batsmen unquestionably had it easy in those days, and frankly until about 2016/7-ish when we started to see the odd spicy deck and greentop outside of Hobart.