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[OverratedSanity]

Says who? The whole point is to compare. There is no protocol I violate. What you call disparaging I call legitimate criticism.

If you say I bring up a critique in an unrelated way, I can find that acceptable. But if I knock Ambrose in an Ambrose thread and it just rubs you the wrong way, get some harder skin frankly.

Subshakerz spitting facts. These Lara/ Ambrose/Jadeja/Kallis/Ashwin fanboys just can't handle your biting incisive critique.

 

[kyear2]

Says who? The whole point is to compare. There is no protocol I violate. What you call disparaging I call legitimate criticism.

If you say I bring up a critique in an unrelated way, I can find that acceptable. But if I knock Ambrose in an Ambrose thread and it just rubs you the wrong way, get some harder skin frankly.

No one z
Said you've broken protocol, but it is something you do.

Doesn't run me the wrong way at all, neither does it bother me, so skin is adequately tough enough.

But it is something you do, though it didn't work vs Ambrose, unnecessary for Lara because most rated Sachin ahead regardless while Kallis is seen where he always was. As a cricketer the only player who can rival what he brought to the game was Sobers, Hammond likely very close behind.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Kallis probably slightly underrated here. But nowhere close to how much overrated he is in general public who only look at stats.

 

[kyear2]

Kallis probably slightly underrated here. But nowhere close to how much overrated he is in general public who only look at stats.

I can agree with this.

I know Sachin is greater and a shoo in for our ATG teams, but if you were a selector for a test team, one can't deny the ridiculous value he would being to the squad.

Not to add that he's one man away from being a lock for those as well with only Hammond as competition.

 

[subshakerz]

No one z
Said you've broken protocol, but it is something you do.

Doesn't run me the wrong way at all, neither does it bother me, so skin is adequately tough enough.

The only difference is I actually add something to the critique and get pushback based on that. But even those who still retain the same rating now at least admit what I have been saying has substance, whether it is Ambrose's lack of penetration post peak, Lara's weakness against high pace or Kallis' overrated bowling.

 

[trundler]

You can prop up the player you're advocating for without disparaging the other one.

Suggest you heed your own advice when you spend your days disparaging certain cricketers.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The only difference is I actually add something to the critique and get pushback based on that. But even those who still retain the same rating now at least admit what I have been saying has substance, whether it is Ambrose's lack of penetration post peak, Lara's weakness against high pace or Kallis' overrated bowling.

Let's see..... Lyon is better than Ashwin as he has match winning performances in SENA unlike Ashwin, and yes, by that I mean Lyon taking 6 wickets (8 total) in a 5th day chase when the match was practically over for England; but Ashwin's 6 wickets in Adelaide doesn't count though it was against a much better batting line-up, in less responsive pitches and it actually impacted the game's result.

 

[Slifer]

Let's see..... Lyon is better than Ashwin as he has match winning performances in SENA unlike Ashwin, and yes, by that I mean Lyon taking 6 wickets (8 total) in a 5th day chase when the match was practically over for England; but Ashwin's 6 wickets in Adelaide doesn't count though it was against a much better batting line-up, in less responsive pitches and it actually impacted the game's result.

Is the above a quote?

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Nah. Bull****. Kallis is downgraded because he looks like Shrek. Personally, I think that's a plus.

Yeah but Hoggard also looks like Shrek and he's rated higher than DK Lillee.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Is the above a quote?

More or less, not a word to word; but that's exactly what he meant.

 

[Victor Ian]

Let's see..... Lyon is better than Ashwin as he has match winning performances in SENA unlike Ashwin, and yes, by that I mean Lyon taking 6 wickets (8 total) in a 5th day chase when the match was practically over for England; but Ashwin's 6 wickets in Adelaide doesn't count though it was against a much better batting line-up, in less responsive pitches and it actually impacted the game's result.

I think the above makes sense. It's not about the numbers but just the vibe of those performances. Subzy has articulated it perfectly. Don't tell me you are going to step on the GOAT so that Ashwin is relatively elevated. I thought you were better than this.

 

[Victor Ian]

Yeah but Hoggard also looks like Shrek and he's rated higher than DK Lillee.

Albino Shrek doesn't quite inspire one the same.

 

[subshakerz]

Let's see..... Lyon is better than Ashwin as he has match winning performances in SENA unlike Ashwin, and yes, by that I mean Lyon taking 6 wickets (8 total) in a 5th day chase when the match was practically over for England; but Ashwin's 6 wickets in Adelaide doesn't count though it was against a much better batting line-up, in less responsive pitches and it actually impacted the game's result.

I won't get into again except to say we have a fundamental difference in how we value frontline vs support bowler roles.

Ashwin for whatever reason, perhaps lack of opportunities or mental barriers, wasn't able to cross into that frontline role in SENA.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I won't get into again except to say we have a fundamental difference in how we value frontline vs support bowler roles.

Ashwin for whatever reason, perhaps lack of opportunities or mental barriers, wasn't able to cross into that frontline role in SENA.

Except you could hardly categories that Adelaide game as a support effort; he was as much on the front as Bumrah; and not to mention 5th day in a relatively turning track shouldn't be the SENA conditions we should really rate as such.

 

[ma1978]

I won't get into again except to say we have a fundamental difference in how we value frontline vs support bowler roles.

Ashwin for whatever reason, perhaps lack of opportunities or mental barriers, wasn't able to cross into that frontline role in SENA.

he’s been the catalyst for several key wins and your frontline bowler takes on the other sides frontline batsman - that’s what he did with Steve Smith and that’s what won us the last BGS

 

[subshakerz]

he’s been the catalyst for several key wins and your frontline bowler takes on the other sides frontline batsman - that’s what he did with Steve Smith and that’s what won us the last BGS

Catalyst ain't enough.

 

[subshakerz]

Except you could hardly categories that Adelaide game as a support effort; he was as much on the front as Bumrah; and not to mention 5th day in a relatively turning track shouldn't be the SENA conditions we should really rate as such.

Mostly certainly was. Let him actually run through a side someday.

 

[ma1978]

Catalyst ain't enough.

only for you bud, only for you

 

[ma1978]

One thing I actually I am comfortable doing though is downgrading Harbhajan to rate Jadeja.

Harbhajan's bowling downgraded itself really though, so maybe I'm not doing anything

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Which players do you see in cw downgraded or praised so as to downgrade or big up another player?

To quote an example,

Hb tries to big up Lara by downgrading Sachin/Viv comparatively

Subz tries to big up Harbhajan or Kuldeep to downgrade Ashwin /Jadeja and I do the opposite a bit

Few Aussie posters dismissing Murali's achievements as chucking to clear Warne's closest contender for the atg best spinner.

Any other examples?

Yeah, this clearly isn't the right way to downgrade someone. When you are simply doing it to upgrade someone else the agenda is just too obvious and nobody will take your downgrade seriously.

Best way to downgrade someone is to randomly dunk on a player in a way that presents no clear motive, ulterior or otherwise. That way everyone will know that you are 100% serious and trust your take.

...For example, how freakin overrated was Neil McKenzie? Raw stats seem ok for a SA opener, but remember the 00s was a runfest era and when you dig deeper you see he feasted in Bangladesh and Zimbabwe against minnow bowling, inflating his average to merely 'passable'. The guy played almost 60 Test matches and what impact did he even have? What a wasteman.