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*Official* England in India 2023/24 #CryMoreTour

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
There is no gambhiring involved in pointing out the fact that the pitch is still good for batting, our captaincy and team management are doubling down on their own stupidity and are obstinate to idiotic levels, its a small ground with a very fast outfield which means big shots against spinners almost always have a more than even chance of coming off, our bowlers are not good enough except Bumrah and maybe Ashwin and Kuldeep.

There is definitely a lot of luck for Bazball with all those wickets they get off half trackers and all the shots they edge or dont time that fall into places where there are no fielders but they are also making their own luck by coming at our bowlers and by trying different things at our batsmen. Stokes almost always had a second slip when attacking with the left arm spinner and a leg slip for the off spinner. Had Rohit had those guys instead of someone under the helmet, England may well have been 3 down going in to end of play today.

That has been the difference. Clear headed thoughts and management who seem to be doubling down on their philosophies but are actually pretty pragmatic and change course where needed against a management who seem to be calm, collected and playing old school test cricket but are actually ragged and obstinately doubling down on dumb decisions every time.

I have seen pieces of bad captaincy often. Rahane having absolutely zero imagination and captaining by rote (6 overs for the bowler here, 6 overs for the bowler there, only then there will be a change) against NZ letting them get away with 1-0 when it should have been 2-0 is the most recent example. Before that, we had the completely brain dead selections in 2018 tour of South Africa by peak Koach (Shaz and Kohli) when we kept dropping Bhuvi and Rahane for Shami and Rohit, neither of whom were good enough on form or on attributes needed for those conditions at that time. And then there was whatever **** Dhoni would pull in SENA whenever he felt we did not have what was needed to take the game on in those conditions. This is right up there with them, and today's decision to start with Mukesh means I think this has eclipsed those to be the worst captaincy/management decisions I have seen from a Team India thinktank since 2011.
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Most likely outcome is probably England having a couple of really promising points where its 'just might be on' like 180-3 and 290-6, before dropping to about a 50 run loss. Seems to happen in the majority of big chases regardless of what the target is.

2nd most likely getting skittled for <150 with spinners bowling all but 4 overs

Glorious upset sitting in third
 

Niall

International Coach
This is still a big ask for England tbf but even if Kuldeep, Ashwin and Bumrah get it done the selectors have had a nightmare.

Mukush is a terrible selection, they may as well have persisted with Siraj or played Washy who would have been much more useful.

One lad who got away with little criticism after the 1st test was Bharat, and India can't continue to carry someone who clearly is not good enough.

If he was as good as Saha with the gloves,,,,,maybe but the dude is just painfully average. Jurel next test no matter the result.

Tricky to specualte about who should play in the top 6 as no idea where Kohli, Jadeja and Rahul are but nonetheless no more Iyer please, he has lived of the series of Bangladesh from 2022 for way to long now.
 

danzydab

U19 Cricketer
Crawley is England's main batsman and the only one who can handle bumrah. If engalnd have any chance to chase this, they need crawley to score big.

Bairstow has to step up as well
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
England's day. Chasing 330 odd tomorrow should not be easy but our bowling attack is basically 1.5 man show. Once again, its gonna be Boom or or bust for us. :(

England should be favorites but biggest factor is we decided to very generously make it 10 Vs 11 for some reason even before a ball was bowled.
In what world would a team chasing this total favorites? You can make a lot of money right now if you bet on England.
 

Owzat

U19 Captain
In what world would a team chasing this total favorites? You can make a lot of money right now if you bet on England.
all the evidence points towards England 3rd favourites in a 2 horse race

1) only one of five sides to score 300+ batting last in India have actually won
2) England would have to post the highest total of the match
3) take out Pope and extras and the rest of the batting have not reached even 250 runs between them in any innings this tour
4) the assertions "England can win coz they play bazballs innit" and "look at what Duckett said about strong positions, England won innit" etc are based on one near double hundred batting THIRD not fourth on a different pitch and bowling a side out for under 250 to win bowling last is a different bazballs of wax to batting last chasing down near 400....


no point judging where England will be come the end of the game based on current position, still over THREE HUNDRED runs from their target and if spin don't get you the rhythm (Bumrah) will...........
 

Andyhere

International 12th Man
Crawley is England's main batsman and the only one who can handle bumrah. If engalnd have any chance to chase this, they need crawley to score big.

Bairstow has to step up as well
Crawley needs to be lucky every time with high risk shots on day 4 and India just need be lucky once and you send him back.
 
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Arachnodouche

International Captain
The confidence in the English camp does seem to be verging on arrogance of late. Too bad we don't have a captain or coach to trigger the same psychological tweak in our guys i.e. remind the side they are bowling to the same English batsmen who were flailing and sinking on the last tour on these very wickets.
 

Third_Man

First Class Debutant
Not sure it is just simply arrogance. It's more that they don't fear losing, innit. They accept that they will lose, and they have lost matches. They sense that they can win more than they lose whilst at the same time enjoying their sport.
 

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