Why haven't India won an ICC trophy since 2013?

[subshakerz]

Serious discussion, no trolling.

I believe it's 9 or 10 successive losses in different ICC trophies across format. Bad luck or wrong mindset? They certainly have the players.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think you could call it bad luck for a few times, and definitely luck was a big factor; but I seriously think there's a problem with this team's mindset. 2 WC Semi-finals, 2 WTC Finals, 1 WC Final and 1 Champions Trophy Final; on those matches India were the big favourites atleast in half of them, and certainly weren't much behind in the rest..... Yet, here we are; that Pakistan also has an ICC Trophy in the last decade, but India doesn't.

 

[sledger]

I believe it's 9 or 10 successive losses

Yes, I too believe the reason they haven't won any trophies is because of the successive losses.

 

[sledger]

Considering starting a "Why did Australia win the 2023 WC?" thread and posting "I believe it's because they won the final" in the op tbh.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Overhyped definitely one of the reasons. Though, they certainly should have won a chip but think the problem lies in Mindset. Just talking about this year’s ODI final, I thought they had no chance at all once Kohli got out.

 

[Burgey]

It’s almost like WC finals are different and the only LO things which actually matter. I wish I’d thought of that…

 

[Burgey]

Overhyped definitely one of the reasons. Though, they certainly should have won a chip but think the problem lies in Mindset. Just talking about this year’s ODI final, I thought they had no chance at all once Kohli got out.

They had no chance once Aus made the final, and it wasn’t even a vintage Aus outfit. The default position in WC finals is if you’re playing Australia, you’re almost certain to lose. They just perform at their best in them for whatever reason, to the point they sort of expect to win all the time

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

Not enough gambhiring from Indian fans.

 

[Line and Length]

When it comes to big matches, Australia expect to win but India only want to win. The former instils confidence, the latter causes anxiety.

 

[Prince EWS]

Considering starting a "Why did Australia win the 2023 WC?" thread and posting "I believe it's because they won the final" in the op tbh.

Shame you can't do that for the 2019 final.

 

[Burgey]

Australia wasn't in the 2019 final though.

 

[sledger]

Shame you can't do that for the 2019 final.

That's because Australia didn't play in the 2019 final, you imbecile.

 

[Silver Silva]

I feel India not winning a tournament is down to 5 main factors with details from the top of my head :

1.Tentative batting in big matches:
India seem to forget in the big matches what got them to the semi final or final, often trying to play too safe, happened in 2014 T20 WC final loss to Sri Lanka where they used up way too many dot balls , 2015 & 2019 ODI WC semi final they looked absolutely terrified, Rohit Sharma tried to get rid of this mindset in 2023 ODI WC but in the final we again saw some ultra negative batting I think there was a period where 30 overs no boundary hit.

2.Poor basics:
India have struggled with no balls, average fielding,lack of intensity in big matches .
This is unacceptable, in a final your basics have to be at a high standard,
Think of how many lives they give Lendl Simmons in 2016 T20 WC semi final, if they had dismissed him early they win the game.
Bumrah got Fakhar Zaman out early in 2017 Champions Trophy, but overstepped..Zaman scores a hundred and wins them the game.

3.Preparation:
Sometimes it feels like Indian Cricket prioritises IPL cricket more than international events, the second WTC when India met Australia was a farce in terms of preparation for example.
Australian cricketers who played in WTC final made sure they put that first instead of T20 commitments.

4.Met the Better Team on the Day:
Sometimes you can just come across a team having a great day , Pakistan in 2017 final looked unstoppable with partisan Pakistan crowd supporting them..NZ in 2021 WTC played a very high level and were deserved winners, Australia at home in 2015 very little India could have done, Australia in 2023 final had a great game plan.

5.Selection Failures:
Sometimes Indian players have played on for far too long and just use tournaments as a swansong to retire, some players constantly show they don't perform in big matches but still get picked, also India has failed to produce enough seaming all rounders in last decade, only Hardik Pandya who has had injury issues, and lack of competition.

 

[sledger]

When it comes to big matches, Australia expect to win but India only want to win. The former instils confidence, the latter causes anxiety.

 

[honestbharani]

They have shown great consistency across the formats in these last 10/11 years without a tournament win so that should be applauded, and maybe a big reason why it feels so disappointing for Indian fans.

I feel India not winning a tournament is down to 5 main factors with details from the top of my head :

1.Tentative batting in big matches :
India seem to forget in the big matches what got them to the semi final or final, often trying to play too safe, happened in 2014 T20 WC final loss to Sri Lanka where they used up way too many dot balls , 2015 & 2019 ODI WC semi final they looked absolutely terrified, Rohit Sharma tried to get rid of this mindset in 2023 ODI WC but in the final we again saw some ultra negative batting I think there was a period where 30 overs no boundary hit.

2.Poor basics
India have struggled with no balls, average fielding,lack of intensity in big matches .
This is unacceptable, in a final your basics have to be at a high standard,
Think of how many lives they give Lendl Simmons in 2016 T20 WC semi final, if they had dismissed him early they win the game.
Bumrah got Fakhar Zaman out early in 2017 Champions Trophy, but overstepped..Zaman scores a hundred and wins them the game.

3.Preparation
Sometimes it feels like Indian Cricket prioritises IPL cricket more than international events, the second WTC when India met Australia was a farce in terms of preparation for example.
Australian cricketers who played in WTC final made sure they put that first instead of T20 commitments.

4.Met the Better Team on the Day
Sometimes you can just come across a team having a great day , Pakistan in 2017 final looked unstoppable with partisan Pakistan crowd supporting them..NZ in 2020 WTC played a very high level and were deserved winners, Australia at home in 2015 very little India could have done, Australia in 2023 final had a great game plan

5.Selection Failures
Sometimes Indian players have played on for far too long and just use tournaments as a swansong to retire, some players constantly show they don't perform in big matches but still get picked, also India has failed to produce enough seaming all rounders in last decade, only Hardik Pandya who has had injury issues, and lack of competition.

2 of our your reasons stem from the same cause - Our bowlers dont bat and our batters dont bowl. More than anything else, that, I believe is the biggest reason we have not won an ICC trophy in white ball cricket in the last 9 years and a bit. If you look at our sides that did win such trophies, we always had a few who could do that.

As far as the WTC goes, if they keep scheduling it right after the IPL and keep playing it in early season England, I dont think it will favor any of the SC sides. Maybe Pak might be a shout as they always seem to go ok in England. We need to have had tests before the WTC final like NZ did, or get there early and play some A side (even an India A side) for a couple of games before that. Its strange with all their clout in the ICC, BCCI cant get that or moving the finals to India done. Its not like you cant play a test match in some city in India at any time of the year.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Not enough gambhiring from Indian fans.

Oh dear

 

[Ali TT]

I'd first start with the question "should India have won any of the tournaments since 2013?"

Which ones was it expected they really should win? You'd probably only end up with a strong case for 2023, and then more marginally 2017 ICC CT once in the final and perhaps the 2014 T20. There were just better teams from the outset in the other competitions, so while India always had a chance it shouldn't be considered a surprise they didn't win them. Then the question becomes - why didn't India have a better team, rather than why they failed in the tournament.

 

[Socerer 01]

I'd first start with the question "should India have won any of the tournaments since 2013?"

Which ones was it expected they really should win? You'd probably only end up with a strong case for 2023, and then more marginally 2017 ICC CT once in the final and perhaps the 2014 T20. There were just better teams from the outset in the other competitions, so while India always had a chance it shouldn't be considered a surprise they didn't win them. Then the question becomes - why didn't India have a better team, rather than why they failed in the tournament.

this guy gets it

 

[Burgey]

I'd first start with the question "should India have won any of the tournaments since 2013?"

Which ones was it expected they really should win? You'd probably only end up with a strong case for 2023

Yeah, realistically it was probably their best shout given it was played at home and their form through the tourney. The just didn't play their best in the final which was probably partly nerves and partly not being allowed to.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I'd first start with the question "should India have won any of the tournaments since 2013?"

Which ones was it expected they really should win? You'd probably only end up with a strong case for 2023, and then more marginally 2017 ICC CT once in the final and perhaps the 2014 T20. There were just better teams from the outset in the other competitions, so while India always had a chance it shouldn't be considered a surprise they didn't win them. Then the question becomes - why didn't India have a better team, rather than why they failed in the tournament.

Kinda disagree to some extent. India totally dominated WC 2023 like Australia in 2007, right upto the Finals. If India shouldn't had won this one, then Australia shouldn't had won in 2003. Champions Trophy 2017 also India were the heavy favourites and they reached the Finals against frankly a mediocre Pakistan team. Again, India should had won that. It's by any means a big thing how we have **** ourselves constantly when it mattered the most. 2019 WC Semi-finals, we were the favourites against New Zealand, though England were the overall favourites. I would give you the edge over 2015 semifinal and the WTC Finals (to an extent, as matches right after IPL in England against Australia and England.... Yeah, any SC team isn't favourite there.) Overall, why India didn't had a better team, I personally think isn't the way to go, especially after this WC.