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Dale Steyn vs Muralitharan

Better bowler

  • Steyn

    Votes: 16 38.1%

  • Murali

    Votes: 26 61.9%
  • Total voters
    42
shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
Murali, Steyn, and Ambrose are all equal for me. Murali is a "top 6 bowler", along with the other top 5 modern pacers, for me.
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
Can do it alone. That is why Murali and Hadlee has to be rated so high.

Bowling wise Ambrose, Imran and Steyn are more deadlier than Hadlee or Murali. However when no support is left these two keep the intensity over long times just by themselves, which most of other great bowlers were unable to do. Simply they are here even when forced to bowl when not bowling well. Still they have ATG figures. Imagine with bit more support.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Migara said:
Can do it alone. That is why Murali and Hadlee has to be rated so high.

Bowling wise Ambrose, Imran and Steyn are more deadlier than Hadlee or Murali. However when no support is left these two keep the intensity over long times just by themselves, which most of other great bowlers were unable to do. Simply they are here even when forced to bowl when not bowling well. Still they have ATG figures. Imagine with bit more support.
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Double edged sword. Average might improve, but WPM will certainly fall.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Btw Steyn here. He has only one, that too minor one in Eng(the Aus record is quite good in context), whilst Murali has quite big gaps in his record, in the form of Ind and Aus
 
Migara

Migara

International Coach
HouHsiaoHsien said:
Double edged sword. Average might improve, but WPM will certainly fall.
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WPM may not reduce readily. Because there are more wickets to be taken. For example during Murali's career SL only took about 14.9 wickets per match. There is enough wickets for another topclass bowler to fit in, without affecting WPM. After that there will be reduction of WPM, but the regularity of getting to the tail will increase and hence averages will improve drastically.
 
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HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Migara said:
WPM may not reduce readily. Because there are more wickets to be taken. For example during Murali's career SL only took about 14.9 wickets per match. There is enough wickets for another topclass bowler to fit in, without affecting WPM. After that there will be reduction of WPM, but the regularity of getting to the tail will increase and hence averages will improve drastically.
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Valid point too, but goes to show all of this is hypothetical, and can go either way
 
Owzat

Owzat

U19 Captain
can't crack my password to log in on the PC which has or had some stats exposed Murali vs Warne, essentially Murali had a big home advantage for spin and took something like 180 wickets against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh *scoots off to look up*

89 vs Bangladesh @ 13.37
87 vs Zimbabwe @ 16.86

also 82 vs windies, not as bad as the two and played when Lara and others still did (dismissed Sarwan 7, Lara 5, Hooper 5, Samuels and Bravo as well but Hooper with mid 30s average included, low 30s not)

home : 493 wkts @ 19.57
away : 307 wkts @ 27.80

think I concluded there was little between Warne and Murali once you balance out easy opposition played a lot and home advantage, but as the question oddly pits him against an oft injured pace bowler my counter question is why duck the obvious comparison with an arbitrary one? probably insulting to the chucker, probably to avoid upsetting the aussies
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Owzat said:
can't crack my password to log in on the PC which has or had some stats exposed Murali vs Warne, essentially Murali had a big home advantage for spin and took something like 180 wickets against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh *scoots off to look up*

89 vs Bangladesh @ 13.37
87 vs Zimbabwe @ 16.86

also 82 vs windies, not as bad as the two and played when Lara and others still did (dismissed Sarwan 7, Lara 5, Hooper 5, Samuels and Bravo as well but Hooper with mid 30s average included, low 30s not)

home : 493 wkts @ 19.57
away : 307 wkts @ 27.80

think I concluded there was little between Warne and Murali once you balance out easy opposition played a lot and home advantage, but as the question oddly pits him against an oft injured pace bowler my counter question is why duck the obvious comparison with an arbitrary one? probably insulting to the chucker, probably to avoid upsetting the aussies
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The minnow numbers, the home vs away (didn't realise they were as stark), the thrashings vs Australia, India and BCL, I can't place him above any of my top 5 pacers, which includes Steyn.
 
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