*Official* New Zealand in Bangladesh 2023/24

[Athlai]

It’s 4:48pm ffs, get a sun Sylhet

Favours us imo

 

[Athlai]

20 more runs tomorrow would be nice

 

[Aritro]

No worries, take the bails off when we've finally got some momentum.

**** these idiots for giving Williamson two lives, although you could put your house on them dropping 1-3 catches in each innings.

 

[Bahnz]

KW's record since his first yorkshire stint in 2013:

6843 runs, at 65 with 26 hundreds across 70 tests.

Yeah he's underachieved in India and England but the guy is an absolute freak, and the questions regarding his status in the fab 4 are ridiculous. Joe Root still hasn't scored a hundred in Australia after 14 starts and averages 25 in Pakistan but no one labels him a htb.

 

[Daemon]

Joe Root still hasn't scored a hundred in Australia after 14 starts and averages 25 in Pakistan but no one labels him a htb.

Because he has an excellent record in SA, NZ, India and basically everywhere else..

KW is not a htb but he does not have a good body of work behind him away from home against the best teams. It’s kinda unlucky but it is what it is.

Still an ATG but it’s hardly an invalid mark against him.

edit: oops didn’t realise this was the match thread

 

[Chin Music]

Because he has an excellent record in SA, NZ, India and basically everywhere else..

KW is not a htb but he does not have a good body of work behind him away from home against the best teams. It’s kinda unlucky but it is what it is.

Still an ATG but it’s hardly an invalid mark against him.

edit: oops didn’t realise this was the match thread

I find it hard to criticise either's overall record but criticism of Williamson's record in 'A' list seam/pace countries and Root's in Australia are hardly invalid criticisms agreed.

For the match itself, clearly any runs NZ can muster together tomorrow will be invaluable. 20 or less Banglas well on top in my view.

 

[Frost]

The fact that kw hasn't played as many games as his contemporaries only suggests he's as good if not better than them. Root has played 135 games, kohli has played 111. Kw has only played 95. It's not really debatable tbh

 

[Moss]

Watched all of 8 overs of this game so far (at close of today’s play), but on that limited evidence it doesn’t look like you want to be batting last on this surface. Uphill battle for NZ ahead. Must have been a great knock by KW though.

 

[SteveNZ]

KW's record since his first yorkshire stint in 2013:

This is an interesting choice of cross roads.

Who questions Kane's fab four status? The guy is a freak of nature. His conversion rate shits all over Root's, is just better than Smith's and whilst Kohli's is better, Kane's average is 5 runs better. OK, his record v India and England isn't what you'd hope it to be, but there's so much more to give weight to ATG status

 

[Moss]

The fact that kw hasn't played as many games as his contemporaries only suggests he's as good if not better than them. Root has played 135 games, kohli has played 111. Kw has only played 95. It's not really debatable tbh

Fair to say Williamson is the Sangakkara of this era? Yes lots of two test series, filling boots against ‘lower-ranked’ teams, and some holes in the away stats, but also some very memorable knocks abroad, and top efforts in reasonably bowler-friendly conditions at home. Certainly a joy to watch when on song, and at the least earned his place in the conversation.

 

[SteveNZ]

You'd have to think we're behind, going to get really raggy and take some sharp turn the later it goes, and Bangladesh's spinners are pretty accurate. Going to need to knock them over pretty sharply in 3rd innings

 

[Moss]

Clearly been a good match for Phillips, and NZ’s (Stead’s?) habit of trying to find like-for-like role replacements (for M Bracewell in this case) has finally opened the door for his test selection. Hope he gives it a proper shot.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

KW's record since his first yorkshire stint in 2013:

6843 runs, at 65 with 26 hundreds across 70 tests.

Yeah he's underachieved in India and England but the guy is an absolute freak, and the questions regarding his status in the fab 4 are ridiculous. Joe Root still hasn't scored a hundred in Australia after 14 starts and averages 25 in Pakistan but no one labels him a htb.

Kane is a level above Kohli and Root at this point. His away record just holds him back from being as good as Sachin/Lara/Smith I think but he’s not that far off

 

[Flem274*]

Root is arguably #2. Kohli we need to see if decline was terminal or a 3 year blip.

You can't really trash any of these guys. 3 of the most valuable players in the world in the best bowling era (by results) since at least the late 80s

 

[Bahnz]

This is an interesting choice of cross roads.

It always struck me as noticeable how rapidly Kane improved once he started playing shedloads of fc cricket for yorkshire. Before that point he was a talented player who showed the odd flash of potential but was clearly a bit out of his depth. But from the 2013/14 summer onwards he looked so in control in all formats. Might've been coincidental timing, but he wouldn't be the first future great to play a couple of seasons of county cricket and emerge as the finished article.

 

[Howsie]

"He has to play at home, he deserves to, and our crowds, if they come, deserve to see him." | Smithy's Sermon (29/11/23) by Mornings with Ian Smith

Smithy’s Sermon. Today Smithy talks about the Blackcaps team for the first test v Bangladesh, the omission of Rachin Ravindra, his Crowe-Williamson factor, being a genuine world star, Glenn Phillips the pick of the bowlers & more

megaphone.link

Don’t know if that link has worked but Ian Smith on the radio yesterday, essentially saying he was shocked Rachin wasn’t in the playing XI for this test. Goes on to say that during his time he is one of only a few to be given international acclaim playing for NZ, that he reckons he’s a future superstar and that he’ll get kids and people in to watch the game. He actually called out Latham and Nicholls here saying they would never do that

Brought up Nicholls and his shithouse run of form the last few years and said that even if he scored a double 100 last test against Sri Lanka why should that stop him being dropped when Ajaz can pick up a 10fer and have that happen to him.

We as fans definitely need former players, commentators, reporters, whoever has a voice calling out Stead and his bullshit unwavering loyalty towards older players.

 

[Immenso]

"He has to play at home, he deserves to, and our crowds, if they come, deserve to see him." | Smithy's Sermon (29/11/23) by Mornings with Ian Smith

Smithy’s Sermon. Today Smithy talks about the Blackcaps team for the first test v Bangladesh, the omission of Rachin Ravindra, his Crowe-Williamson factor, being a genuine world star, Glenn Phillips the pick of the bowlers & more

megaphone.link

Don’t know if that link has worked but Ian Smith on the radio yesterday, essentially saying he was shocked Rachin wasn’t in the playing XI for this test. Goes on to say that during his time he is one of only a few to be given international acclaim playing for NZ, that he reckons he’s a future superstar and that he’ll get kids and people in to watch the game. He actually called out Latham and Nicholls here saying they would never do that

Brought up Nicholls and his ****house run of form the last few years and said that even if he scored a double 100 last test against Sri Lanka why should that stop him being dropped when Ajaz can pick up a 10fer and have that happen to him.

We as fans definitely need former players, commentators, reporters, whoever has a voice calling out Stead and his bull**** unwavering loyalty towards older players.

Smithy was probably in a similar position to Ravindra at start of his career. No overwhelming reason to replace Warren Lees with Ian Smith, unless you think he's a an incoming generational 10-year player - which they did.

 

[Immenso]

Didn't watch much of day 1. But watched almost all of day 2. And i really enjoyed that days play. Which is saying something because I'm a bit of a sook when we are getting bested.

Was a good balance between bat and ball.

Seemed a different game when Mitchell and Phillips were batting with Kane, though.

Either it is a really fun pitch, or Bangladesh's spinners are x% better than NZ's (I mean, they are, but how much % is the fun part to try and work out).

Not looking good for NZ this test, but let's see how it works out.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Taijul has been the silent killer in our home games. Not easy going through defence of KW.

I reckon we need to set 250 somehow here then that would be difficult chase for NZ in 4th innings.

 

[trundler]

Taijul has been the silent killer

I was just wondering why he reminds me of hypertension