Burgey
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If this were true it would actually be an embarrassment to the sport of cricket.
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Is Shakib Al Hasan an ATG test cricketer?
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ataraxia
International Coach
Yeah, according to what I sent to @shortpitched713 I have him 13th (Botham 12, Ashwin 10, Jadeja 9)
Macartney and Woolley both greater than Shakib for example
Lennon better at batting and McCartney better at spin.
Chris Martin definitely not better at either
shortpitched713
International Captain
I really struggled at rating Shakib.
Besides for my bias against batting all-rounder ( in retrospect probably a bit extreme , Sobers should be in the same tier as Imran and Hadlee, although not necessarily above ), I don't really like all-rounders who don't "lock up" one side of their role. It's why I don't rate Botham that highly as he basically wasted half his career despite being an excellent bowling allrounder in the early part of it, and also why I have Shaun Pollock over Miller.
Shakib's better attribute I'd say is his batting, but not by much, and he's definitely not ATG or even close in either discipline.
Burgey
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Miller took his wickets at 22 a piece. How isn’t that “locking up” a discipline?
shortpitched713
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Miller's averages are so pretty. Along with Imran's they're the prettiest all-rounder averages you could hope for. If they were cats I'd give them warm milk until they started to purr.
But of course when you look deeper, he didn't have the same bowling load as guys like Pollock or Imran. WPM for Miller is 3.1 and for Pollock and Imran is 3.9 and 4.1 respectively.
Hadlee of course stands in a tier of his own with WPM > 5 , but you can argue he had the least bowling support by far.
Regardless, all three of above lock down the bowling spot better than Miller, and I'd pick all of them over Miller in a draft without second thought.
shortpitched713
International Captain
22.97, ie ~ 23. But with Australians, whose counting?
For how you'd describe it all these Aussie legends really needed to do to win any given match would be drop trowsers and hit a hundred with their ****, but the rest of us can try to analyze free of such mythologies, thanks.
Coronis
International Coach
Shockingly players tend to bowl less individually if they’re part of a stronger bowling attack. In Miller’s case it wasn’t just strong, but very deep, and he was a clear leader of that attack alongside Lindwall and later Benaud. He was bowling 31 overs a game, compared to Imran/Pollock (~37).
Burgey
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TBF you've pretty much described what Australia has done to everyone else over most of the sport's history.
TIL - taking test wickets at 22 (23) isn’t “locking up” (whatever that means) a discipline. That's not analysis, that's cerebral hypoxia in written form.
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Miller didn't get a lot of tailenders (8-11) out. They make up 22% of his wickets total vs 29% for Pollock and Imran.
Miller either struggled against tailenders or more likely he just didn't get the opportunity to bowl at them as much. This some what backs up him playing as part of a strong and very deep bowling attack and also makes his bowling average look even more impressive.
Miller either struggled against tailenders or more likely he just didn't get the opportunity to bowl at them as much. This some what backs up him playing as part of a strong and very deep bowling attack and also makes his bowling average look even more impressive.
PlayerComparisons
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Miller was probably as good as Andy Roberts
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Shakib kicks Shastri's backside and Jayasuriya was an opener who bowled a bit, so obv Sanath the better bat and Shakib the much better bowler.
Jadeja I still go Shakib as I've said elsewhere but that one is close.
Axar would get annihilated if he had to be the #1 bowler in SENA.
Guy averaged 23 and bowled 90% of his deliveries as opening bowler or first change but yeah, he wasn't locked in as a bowler.
Jayasuriya actually started his career as a lower order allrounder. Didn't bowl as much as Shakib, but in favourable conditions he was one of the most difficult spinners to face because of the pace he bowled at.
Shastri scored runs against the best bowling attacks of his era. Could open or bat at 6 or 7, good in the field and had a great cricketing brain. Handy bowler and the ultimate team man.
Shakib is the better bowler, but overall I don't think he's adding that much more to a team than Jayasuriya or Shastri.
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