Y/N - you could explain Net run rate in detail to someone without googling

[ankitj]

Not true, because the 150 is divided by 50 for the bowling purposes. So your NRR from that game would be 150/25 - 150/50 = 3
That's the same as if you batted for 50 overs and scored 300 and then bowled them out for 150.

I see your point. In that one game it's perfect. But as you know the numerators and denominators get added across matches. So smaller number of 25 reduces the weight.

 

[GIMH]

We had the scenario in the last WC where Pakistan needed a huge runs victory over Bangas to make the semis, but if they batted second couldn't make up the NRR.

 

[ankitj]

Take an example. Say a team plays two matches

Match 1: Target of 200 chased in full 50 overs. NRR from the match = 200/50 - 199/50 ~ 0
Match 2: Target of 150 chased in 25 overs. NRR from the match = 150/25 - 149/50 ~ 3

If two matches are weighted equally, total NRR should be 1.5

But way it is calculated you get NRR of (200+150)/75 - (199+149)/100 ~ 1.17

 

[GIMH]

Take an example. Say a team plays two matches

Match 1: Target of 200 chased in full 50 overs. NRR from the match = 200/50 - 199/50 ~ 0
Match 2: Target of 150 chased in 25 overs. NRR from the match = 150/25 - 149/50 ~ 3

If two matches are weighted equally, total NRR should be 1.5

But way it is calculated you get NRR of (200+150)/75 - (199+149)/100 ~ 1.17

Ah so in your suggestion, would you extrapolate the chasing score to 50 overs?

 

[Daemon]

Wait isn’t it just runs scored by you per over for all games, minus runs scored against you per over for all games? Then explain that if a team is bowled out you calculate it on a base of 50 overs.

Fringe stuff like DLS I admit I had no idea.

 

[Molehill]

Take an example. Say a team plays two matches

Match 1: Target of 200 chased in full 50 overs. NRR from the match = 200/50 - 199/50 ~ 0
Match 2: Target of 150 chased in 25 overs. NRR from the match = 150/25 - 149/50 ~ 3

If two matches are weighted equally, total NRR should be 1.5

But way it is calculated you get NRR of (200+150)/75 - (199+149)/100 ~ 1.17

You are correct, I was just looking from the one match perspective.

It's an interesting point though, if teams want to seriously boost their NRR, they should always bat first. It's easier to do it than actually knowing your target and then chasing it down in a certain amount of overs.

 

[ankitj]

Ah so in your suggestion, would you extrapolate the chasing score to 50 overs?

I definitely would. Because when chasing or when playing a rain affected shortened game winner gets less credit. It's unfair. I mean you still get full points from a shortened game, why not full NRR credit?

 

[GIMH]

You are correct, I was just looking from the one match perspective.

It's an interesting point though, if teams want to seriously boost their NRR, they should always bat first. It's easier to do it than actually knowing your target and then chasing it down in a certain amount of overs.

Hence the Pakistan scenario in 2019 I guess

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Yeah the better way would probably be to average the NRR across games, but I don't know how say washouts would affect that.

 

[GIMH]

Should allow teams to bat their full fifty even when they've chased the score down. Then just do simple Run Difference. Easy.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

I wonder if there's a loophole in the rules if you declare your innings early. Say you're chasing a total and you know you won't make it, just declare and then boost your NRR because the whole 50 overs doesn't count.

 

[Howe_zat]

The big problem with it is that it doesn't take wickets into account at all until a side gets bowled out at which point it makes a massive difference.

So chasing down 120 all out on a green top where you win by getting 121/9 in 25 overs counts as a massive win by NRR, even though in reality it's a nail biter. In that scenario a team comes out with a positive NRR of 2.4, as though they had won by 120 runs.

 

[centurymaker]

This weightage thing has bothered me since the beginning. Unfair on chasing teams who chase it down in significantly fewer overs and don't get to add full 50 overs of runs at a high run rate to their accumulated total.

 

[Howe_zat]

Should allow teams to bat their full fifty even when they've chased the score down. Then just do simple Run Difference. Easy.

This is pretty much what DLS attempts to simulate. 'given overs and wickets left, how much should they score?'

It would probably attract complaints but so long as the data is solid it'd be better than the current system imo.

 

[Daemon]

Shakib is reading this thread and noting ideas for the 2027 WC Qualifiers where Bangladesh is tied with West Indies for 2nd on the table.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

The best part of that scenario is that Bangers will still pick him and make him captain.

 

[srbhkshk]

I definitely would. Because when chasing or when playing a rain affected shortened game winner gets less credit. It's unfair. I mean you still get full points from a shortened game, why not full NRR credit?

It does have the disadvantage of involving guesswork in a system that's currently hard defined by things that actually happened.

Now I am not claiming that it's perfect at the moment but trying to equate a batting first win with a chasing win is suspicious in general anyway, while batting first most teams do try to maximize their score, whereas when batting second unless dictated by the tournament situation most teams would go for the most risk free approach that guarantees victory.

 

[DriveClub]

And mahmadulla will wander in at no8 in a losing cause

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Cricket doesn't really have a good way of comparing how "well" a team has won compared to another team. Any method you use to break deadlocks is going to run into some weird edge cases.

But that's what makes it fun.

 

[Molehill]

Cricket doesn't really have a good way of comparing how "well" a team has won compared to another team. Any method you use to break deadlocks is going to run into some weird edge cases.

But that's what makes it fun.

I always think of this game as highlighting one of the big failures of NRR. NZ scrape home by 1 wicket, yet get a huge boost on the NRR because they weren't bowled out.

NZ vs AUS Cricket Scorecard, 20th Match, Pool A at Auckland, February 28, 2015

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