Post War Test Anonymous Listing Comparison thread

[OverratedSanity]

The one who's too high is Weeks, undoubtedly carried by @shortpitched713 vote

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Shortpitched is probably disappointed that Hayden and Philander didn’t make the lists

 

[kyear2]

Because you’re always saying how big a gap Marshall has over everyone and how he’s a lock for an ATXI.

We've had this conversation before and you're trying to troll, and I'm not entertaining you today.

 

[shortpitched713]

Shortpitched is probably disappointed that Hayden and Philander didn’t make the lists

I knew Philander wouldn't.

Hayden was very close. Ultimately, that none of Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag or G Smith made top 30, but Boycott somehow did, is what's disappointing.

Also confirms for me that no one actually rates Greenidge high on secret ballot, he's only rated when already given as a choice in a comparison poll. He is a bit of an afterthought as a batsman of his era.

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

I knew Philander wouldn't.

Hayden was very close. Ultimately, that none of Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag or G Smith made top 30, but Boycott somehow did, is what's disappointing.

Also confirms for me that no one actually rates Greenidge high on secret ballot, he's only rated when already given as a choice in a comparison poll. He is a bit of an afterthought as a batsman of his era.

I voted Greenidge way higher than Boycott (26 to 27). Surprised he didn't make it.

 

[Coronis]

Highest blokes I had who didn’t make it were Simpson (20), Tayfield (15) and Stokes (10) respectively. Simpson and Tayfield I understand not making it as they’re more niche picks. Stokes not really any fault of his own just beat out by the quality of blokes above him (I did have him ahead of Pollock tbf)

 

[kyear2]

I knew Philander wouldn't.

Hayden was very close. Ultimately, that none of Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag or G Smith made top 30, but Boycott somehow did, is what's disappointing.

Also confirms for me that no one actually rates Greenidge high on secret ballot, he's only rated when already given as a choice in a comparison poll. He is a bit of an afterthought as a batsman of his era.

Aren't we making quite a bit of assumptions based on 12 entries?

 

[shortpitched713]

I voted Greenidge way higher than Boycott (26 to 27). Surprised he didn't make it.

I voted for him, but he was very commonly omitted. Out of the 5 of Boycott, Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag, G Smith. Greenidge got the lowest point total. This it the exact opposite of the 5 man poll with these openers that I had made a short while back.

Don't know what it says about inherent biases or whatever, but I didn't find the result that surprising.

 

[shortpitched713]

Aren't we making quite a bit of assumptions based on 12 entries?

See my post below this. A bit of an assumption sure, but I think there is a tendency to rate older openers ( and indeed batsmen in general ), higher when given them as a choice, but they tend not to be the first on people's minds.

Also going from 1st to 5th out of 5 is a pretty huge swing.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I knew Philander wouldn't.

Hayden was very close. Ultimately, that none of Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag or G Smith made top 30, but Boycott somehow did, is what's disappointing.

Also confirms for me that no one actually rates Greenidge high on secret ballot, he's only rated when already given as a choice in a comparison poll. He is a bit of an afterthought as a batsman of his era.

At least Barry Richards made it

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Hayden was very close. Ultimately, that none of Greenidge, Hayden, Sehwag or G Smith made top 30, but Boycott somehow did, is what's disappointing.

I see Simpson didn't either (I voted for him and put him 22nd which was between Younis Khan and Boycott).

 

[capt_Luffy]

One of things I find strange here is that in both lists Garner got voted over Holding; but in most people's West Indies XI, on selecting three pacers; Garner's the one omitted more often than not.....

 

[Coronis]

One of things I find strange here is that in both lists Garner got voted over Holding; but in most people's West Indies XI, on selecting three pacers; Garner's the one omitted more often than not.....

Is he? I wouldn’t think that’s the case here at least.

If he is being put aside I could only think of it being due to him and Curtly being more similar. Garner was easily the better bowler though imo, and the perfect first change bowler for that opening pair imo. He might not take as many big hauls as Holding - though in most ATG XI’s (especially the Windies) that shouldn’t be a negative point - but he’ll put in better performances consistently.

 

[kyear2]

One of things I find strange here is that in both lists Garner got voted over Holding; but in most people's West Indies XI, on selecting three pacers; Garner's the one omitted more often than not.....

Garner is clearly ahead of Holding for me , and also makes my team ahead of whispering death.
Both great though, top 15

 

[Red_Ink_Squid]

One of things I find strange here is that in both lists Garner got voted over Holding; but in most people's West Indies XI, on selecting three pacers; Garner's the one omitted more often than not.....

I think this is probably a CW thing. I think the consensus here is that Garner was (even) better than Holding, but the reverse view is common elsewhere.

 

[peterhrt]

Barry Richards should be higher.

Some first-class stats of Barry Richards.

When the county championship opened up to overseas players in 1968, Richards was one of the first to sign up. He stayed ten years until 1978, scoring most county runs among overseas players during that time (15607). Eight overseas batsmen scored 10,000 runs for a county during this period. Averages as follows: Kanhai 51, Barry Richards 50, Turner 49, Davison 43, Mushtaq Mohammad 42, Asif Iqbal 37, Younis Ahmed 37, Procter 36.

Richards spent the 1970-71 season in Australia, scoring 1494 first-class runs at an average of 106.71. Innings included 356 off 381 balls against Western Australia (including Lillee, McKenzie and Lock), 224 against the English tourists (including Snow) and 146 against the English again (including Willis and Underwood). Others to reach a thousand runs that season were Boycott (average 95), Edrich (68) and Ian Chappell (48).

Many South Africans believed the toughest place to bat around this time was South Africa itself. From the generations affected by Isolation, five batsmen reached 10,000 first-class career runs in South Africa. Averages: Barry Richards 58, Graeme Pollock 56, Jimmy Cook 43, Peter Kirsten 42, Eddie Barlow 39. During three seasons at Somerset Cook averaged 72.

And leading averages in WSC Supertests (500 runs): Barry Richards 79, Greg Chappell 56, Viv Richards 55, Rowe 43, Hookes 38, Lloyd 37, Ian Chappell 35, Greenidge 35, Fredericks 34, Laird 25.