***Official***Match #29 - India vs England- October 29th - Lucknow (D/N)

[SteveNZ]

English fans talking like the ECB are going to give three f*cks about what their ODI team is going forward.

 

[Daemon]

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yikes. stokes looked a full second late on most of these.

 

[Andy19]

Can anyone in ODI England team actually bat a decent innings in this world Cup besides Bangladesh?.

Also that happened to root he sucks these days.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I enjoyed this one from the Barmy Army:

 

[CricAddict]

I enjoyed this one from the Barmy Army:

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Would have been funnier with Root as the other duck.

 

[Prince EWS]

Would have been funnier with Root as the other duck.

And Stokes instead of Kohli.

 

[Sunil1z]

And Stokes instead of Kohli.

 

[ankitj]

They've literally bottom of the tournament. You just aren't going to convince me that this tournament is a straightforward reflection of the level of talent in that squad.

I'd sooner fall on luck as an explanation than mental demons (except when it's SA and world cups)

 

[SteveNZ]

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yikes. stokes looked a full second late on most of these.

That dismissal should go in the Shannon Gabriel Hall of Fame as one of the worst in history. Truly village.

 

[Spark]

I'd sooner fall on luck as an explanation than mental demons (except when it's SA and world cups)

So your claim now is that England's bad batting has been more a case of bad luck than anything mental?

I'm consistently baffled by people who refuse to countenance the importance of mental factors in elite sport. Hell you don't have to have exactly played a lot of sport yourself to realise it's hugely important.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

So your claim now is that England's bad batting has been more a case of bad luck than anything mental?

I'm consistently baffled by people who refuse to countenance the importance of mental factors in elite sport. Hell you don't have to have exactly played a lot of sport yourself to realise it's hugely important.

Especially cricket where concentration, strategy and temperament are more important than most sports.

 

[Spark]

Especially cricket where concentration, strategy and temperament are more important than most sports.

It's also because batting in particular requires a fairly complex set of decisions to be made in a very short time, and done again and again and again basically perfectly. If you are mentally slightly off to the point that that decision making degrades then your results are going to fall off a cliff. It's very similar to tennis in that respect, in that mastery requires a mechanically precise set of actions and decisions to be made over and over and over again.

 

[OverratedSanity]

So your claim now is that England's bad batting has been more a case of bad luck than anything mental?

I'm consistently baffled by people who refuse to countenance the importance of mental factors in elite sport. Hell you don't have to have exactly played a lot of sport yourself to realise it's hugely important.

The mental factor is real but it's lazy to ascribe it to mental factors when we don't really have any evidence or indication that it could be the case.

And as I said before, they really gave it their all in the field throwing themselves around and saved a ton of runs. If they'd really packed it in, it doesn't tally with the effort they clearly put in.

It's definitely possible for a set of cricketers to hit their peaks and troughs as cricketers simultaneously.

 

[Spark]

The mental factor is real but it's lazy to ascribe it to mental factors when we don't really have any evidence or indication that it could be the case.

And as I said before, they really gave it their all in the field throwing themselves around and saved a ton of runs. If they'd really packed it in, it doesn't tally with the effort they clearly put in.

It's definitely possible for a set of cricketers to hit their peaks and troughs as cricketers simultaneously.

To be clear I'm not saying they're lazy or not trying. I think it's a collective loss of confidence first and foremost. It's even possible to be trying too hard.

 

[OverratedSanity]

To be clear I'm not saying they're lazy or not trying. I think it's a collective loss of confidence first and foremost. It's even possible to be trying too hard.

A loss of confidence doesn't spring up out of nowhere. It's the outcome of some bad cricket they're playing and they can't seem to stem the tide. Its hard to point at it as the source of the problem when other actual cricketing reasons have become obvious.

 

[Daemon]

I mean there’s 100% a mental aspect to it. Just as there is when they’re on a roll and pummelling sixes.

If I were to assign weightage though I’d say it’s a lack of preparation first, poor application of skill second and then mental weakness exacerbating everything as opposed to being the source of the problem.

 

[Shri]

So your claim now is that England's bad batting has been more a case of bad luck than anything mental?

I'm consistently baffled by people who refuse to countenance the importance of mental factors in elite sport. Hell you don't have to have exactly played a lot of sport yourself to realise it's hugely important.

This is not a mental issue. It is an age old skill issue of england sucking in India. Long may it continue and bring on the bazball tests

 

[Spark]

A loss of confidence doesn't spring up out of nowhere. It's the outcome of some bad cricket they're playing and they can't seem to stem the tide. Its hard to point at it as the source of the problem when other actual cricketing reasons have become obvious.

Oh sure there have been severe mistakes in preparation and team selection and there are players who are past their prime. But like tough ****, you got dealt a less than ideal hand, these are all exactly the same criticisms that I and basically everyone else was making about the Australian team two weeks ago. But as professional sportsmen not everything is always going to be in your favour every single time so it's on them, as professionals and as representatives, to have the mental fortitude to come together and work out a plan for attacking the tournament rather than doing... whatever the **** it is they've done in the last three or four games.

I guess my ultimate point is that I think the people most responsible for this debacle are Mott and Buttler and daylight a distant third.

This is not a mental issue. It is an age old skill issue of england sucking in India. Long may it continue and bring on the bazball tests

The 2011 team was far far far more competitive than this with far less talent and pedigree.

 

[Shri]

The 2011 team was far far far more competitive than this with far less talent and pedigree.

They had far more talent when it came to playing balls that did an inch off the pitch

 

[Sunil1z]

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