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***Official***Match #21- India vs New Zealand- October 22nd-Dharamsala (D/N)

Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
I thought the only real mistake we made was Ravindra holing out, but I expect that from someone who isn't the finished article and India were simply better.

It's a world cup. You expect hard games, and every team here is at least a solid team. Ask the West Indies (poor guys).
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
centurymaker said:
Doully was uttering nonsense. Mitchell barely took any extra balls.
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I think it's fair enough to at least talk about Mitchell's innings from the time Latham got out at the end of the 37th over. He was on 94 off 91 balls. So he scored at exactly a run a ball for the rest of his innings, he scored his next six runs off 9 balls, and 15 off 19 in the partnership with Phillips between the 37th and 44th over. That partnership was 38 off 45 balls. I'm sure India bowled well, but that's where the momentum shifted. To score 68 off the last 13 overs - and no, he is far from completely culpable - was where we lost the game. I don't think you can say Mitchell wasn't part of those issues.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Burgey said:
I didn't really see much of India's innings beyond the first few overs but this looks like it was a decent contest. Purely from a batting perspective, I don't think NZ are far away at all tbh. India's death bowling was excellent, wasn't a lot which could be done.

I feel like this is actually NZ's best chance to win a WC. Their seam attack has some real wheels, the conditions make Santner a handful instead of fodder, their batting is on point, they field well and they've got Williamson to come back in. Plus a lot of these guys were there in 2019. India still favourites but realistically, if this was being played elsewhere I think NZ would be short odds to win the whole thing. And they're definietely not out of it here anyway.
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I agree with this. We have a top six, when Kane is fit, who are all capable of a match-winning innings. We're probably a bowler short, although Ravindra is doing a decent job and seems to match up OK with teams who are predominantly RH (and Phillips can bowl if not).

I think we're odds-on to be in a semi final, which hopefully isn't against India. I definitely think we can win two knockout games. But India are head and shoulders above everyone else...which luckily for every other nation, has meant **** all in the past.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Athlai said:
Mitchell just looked tired. Was sweating buckets
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Fair enough. I do tip my hat to Doull, though, who I'm not a big fan of but at least he's not scared to stick his neck out. Criticising a guy who scores 130 will obviously come with its derision, but I think he makes a valid point for discussion.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
It's still a valid point. Why is it not valid because he scored the most? He gets a pass for scoring under a run a ball with 4 wickets down and less than 10 overs to go because others did worse than him?
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Mitchell had lost a little of his strength late in his innings, which is unsurprising as he must have sweated out a couple of kgs. It was hot out there.
Mitchell's high SR was largely from Kuldeep who he took for 43(28), but aside from 3 deliveries, he only faced the three Indian seamers in the 13 overs from the time Latham got out at 36.5. And those three seamers were excellent.
We kept losing wickets at the other end.
It's pretty normal at the end of the innings for the guy on 100 to keep trying to rotate the strike and pick up the occasional boundary, but rely on the fresh guy at the other end to really attack. Mitchell did his part and once Latham+Phillips+Chapman were dismissed he went back to trying to hit boundaries. He really could not have done much more.

And for Doull to turn around and use Kohli, who just last match did manipulate things to try to get his century rather than just finish off the match, as an example of what Mitchell should have done, is so laughably backwards that I originally interpreted it as a joke or troll comment. Bizarre.
 
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Punk01

School Boy/Girl Captain
SteveNZ said:
We should all go home then!
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There was stark difference btw nz and Indian death bowling

India were bowling lots of cutters and Yorkers, whereas nz just kept bowing short lmao
Kohli and jadeja were taking risk free singles and odd ball on the legside for 4

Also u are correct , Phillips and Mitchell partnership was slow

Phillips choice of shot was wrong on getting out

Slogsweep on a ball outside offstump, going away with the angle and probably a googly too

But an important point I would add here is, batting got easier in 2nd innings for sure

Ball was coming on nicely due to dew

1st innings it was slow
 
Moss

Moss

International Captain
SteveNZ said:
Fair enough. I do tip my hat to Doull, though, who I'm not a big fan of but at least he's not scared to stick his neck out. Criticising a guy who scores 130 will obviously come with its derision, but I think he makes a valid point for discussion.
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Not a topic I’d like to go too deep into (because it really doesn’t merit so much discussion IMO), but apparently Gavaskar was the one who brought this up on air and Doull evaded it. There was immediately some chatter on twitter/X about Doull’s supposed double standards (having gone after Kohli for the same thing in the Bangladesh game). Then Doull goes into it at the end of the game. So who knows, really.

FTR I don’t have strong views on comms calling this sort of thing out, and don’t think Doull really deserves any value judgements either way.
 
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Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
It was hard to get in so if anything I'd lay 'blame' at the feet of Ravindra and then Phillips. The rest were there for like 5 seconds.
 
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SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
straw man said:
And for Doull to turn around and use Kohli, who just last match did manipulate things to try to get his century rather than just finish off the match, as an example of what Mitchell should have done, is so laughably backwards that I originally interpreted it as a joke or troll comment. Bizarre.
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If this happened (and I'm certain it did) it's peak Doull. Classic company man behaviour, sucking up to India.

I want to make it clear that I don't blame Mitchell for anything, I wouldn't use that word. But I think it is fair to say we might've certainly wanted more out of him and Phillips from their partnership, even against good bowling. It looks like there's a chance you have to set or chase 320 plus to win this thing, we should've scored that, and didn't.
 
straw man

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Moss said:
Not a topic I’d like to go too deep into, but apparently Gavaskar was the one who brought this up on air and Doull evaded it. There was immediately some chatter on twitter/X about Doull’s supposed double standards (having gone after Kohli for the same thing in the Bangladesh game). Then Doull goes into it at the end of the game. So who knows, really.

FTR I don’t have strong views on comms calling this sort of thing out, and don’t think Doull really deserves any value judgements either way.
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Oh I see. Didn't know Doull criticised Kohli in the previous match too - so he probably got some blowback and then needed to even it up somehow with some ingratiating comments about Kohli this match.
 
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