Player you find hardest to rate

[karan_fromthestands]

Not on roads but more against incoming deliveries from pace bowlers. He did well against Australia because their natural bowling length is the good length, while on the other hand he struggled against Pakistan and England due to their bowling lengths being much fuller and they swung it back into the batsman.

If you notice his performance against South Africa in his last few years, the reason why he did well was because Steyn never had an inswing/off cutter in his armory. He didn't bring the ball back into right handers unless it's reversing.

Good observation. I mentioned roads because I have seen him not capitalising in easier conditions on quite a few occasions.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Sobers simply bowled multiple styles, which is not unprecedented at all.

Sydney Barnes bowled in a very old school style which was I think was aided rather generously by the conditions of uncovered pitches at the time. No one can, or even has really attempted to replicate it because it simply wouldn't work. I think he most certainly had much more control than most other uncovered pitch abusing bowlers of the time, which was honed by his very professional approach. But absolutely can't compare him to modern bowlers.

Difference of opinion here really as no one has bowled completely like Barnes at that quality since him. Grimmett is said to have developed the flipper but Walter Mead was already bowling those 30 Years ago. Grimmett being a spin obsessed just revived the lost art which does work regardless of the pitch.

On my Personal and with acceptance biased opinion, I still think it would work just as well. Alec Bedser is probably the only one who actually managed to bowl The Barnes Ball and it did work for him regardless of the pitch. Bedser is definitely the closest and bowled like Barnes to some extent. Idk if anyone today actually works as hard with the dedication that Bedser did who was basically a human bowling machine.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Difference of opinion here really as no one has bowled completely like Barnes at that quality since him. Grimmett is said to have developed the flipper but Walter Mead was already bowling those 30 Years ago. Grimmett being a spin obsessed just revived the lost art which does work regardless of the pitch.

On my Personal and with acceptance biased opinion, I still think it would work just as well. Alec Bedser is probably the only one who actually managed to bowl The Barnes Ball and it did work for him regardless of the pitch. Bedser is definitely the closest and bowled like Barnes to some extent. Idk if anyone today actually works as hard with the dedication that Bedser did who was basically a human bowling machine.

100% agree with this.

 

[trundler]

Famously conditions independent bowler Alec Bedser

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Famously conditions independent bowler Alec Bedser

I was mentioning about Bedser’s Barnes Ball which certainly was as deadly regardless of the pitch.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

100% agree with this.

Bit more on that,Grum trained all through adelaides winter everything hail or shine, and became according to Bradman, the best ever bowler of a wet ball he saw.

Warne certainly made good use of flipper with the help of The Masters Method. Warne quizzed every Bradman Era player about Grimmett and his method, especially his flipper.

 

[Jumno]

Jadeja, Nel

 

[social]

Nathan Lyon

8th highest test wicket taker & in with a shot of overtaking Warne

Allegedly not good enough to play white ball stuff for Australia in 4 years

 

[TheJediBrah]

SOK > Lyon and always has been

probably still is, when he can walk*


*equally applicable whether inability to walk is due to musculoskeletal injury or inebriation

 

[srbhkshk]

Ajit Agarkar

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Ajit Agarkar

Pretty solid ODI player IMO. He could score useful runs at 8/9, fielded well and also took wickets regularly. Economy could be better, but he was super useful regardless.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

I would go with Bill Voce on this one. Think he is underrated plus perfect action for generating pace. Some good footages,

 

[Coronis]

I would go with Bill Voce on this one. Think he is underrated plus perfect action for generating pace. Some good footages,

I think one could make the argument that despite Larwood being faster and probably more talented/naturally gifted, Voce was the better (test) bowler.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Makhaya Ntini. Enjoyed his bowling, but if we go by plain numbers(ignoring the sample size in some cases), he was:

Average in Zim, Pak, SL, Australia and NZ.

Serviceable in WI and England.

Pretty good in SA, India and Bangladesh.

 

[number11]

Ponting...


Not in the Sachin, Lara tier.
But easily above the Kallis, Sanga tier.
He is in his own tier.

He is in the very top tier.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

He is in the very top tier.

I'd put him in the same league as Lara and Sachin. What are the arguments against it though? Apart from Ponting being an annoying ******************************************.

 

[Son Of Coco]

English players

 

[Archer6K]

Kane Williamson

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Bairstow. When good he is great but so many poor periods and his glovework is similar too. Two huge highs as a test player and a great pyjama record for years but has basically sucked since the injury and is fat.