Sachin Tendulkar vs Jacques Kallis

[honestbharani]

Yeah but he would also put Katich and Watson ahead of both SRT and Lara.
(joke)

Yeah coz they are openers, they would obviously bat 1 and 2 Lara 3 and SRT 4.

 

[shortpitched713]

No bro, if Kallis isn't an all-rounder then the term is meaningless.

Anyone who can occupy a regular position as one of five bowlers and is capable of batting in the top 7 is an all-rounder.

I think this is key. Kallis did tend to rack up the DNBs. Strangely though, they wouldn't tend to be in both innings of a match, but light bowling loads are a hallmark of his career.

For mine I do think he has quality which makes up for that, so to me he's a great "borderline" batting focused allrounder, rather than a great out and out allrounder, whereas I'd be less hesitant to call Sobers an out and out allrounder due to his bowling volume (think Kallis had a slightly better bowling impact though).

 

[Bolo.]

I think this is key. Kallis did tend to rack up the DNBs. Strangely though, they wouldn't tend to be in both innings of a match, but light bowling loads are a hallmark of his career.

For mine I do think he has quality which makes up for that, so to me he's a great "borderline" batting focused allrounder, rather than a great out and out allrounder, whereas I'd be less hesitant to call Sobers an out and out allrounder due to his bowling volume (think Kallis had a slightly better bowling impact though).

The end of his career was peak Philander and Steyn. There were a lot of innings where at least one of them absolutely ripped through the opposition. Even Morkel's SR is 53, which faster than a lot of ATGs.

Plenty of times when there was no work for the 4th/5th bowler to do- basically needs the bowlers to be having an off day on a spicy pitch.

 

[subshakerz]

The end of his career was peak Philander and Steyn. There were a lot of innings where at least one of them absolutely ripped through the opposition. Even Morkel's SR is 53, which faster than a lot of ATGs.

Plenty of times when there was no work for the 4th/5th bowler to do- basically needs the bowlers to be having an off day on a spicy pitch.

Beginning of his career was peak Donald and Pollock and he was averaging 2 wickets a test.

 

[Bolo.]

Beginning of his career was peak Donald and Pollock and he was averaging 2 wickets a test.

It's comment on the number of DNBs, not WPM. Pollock and Donald took their wickets very regularly. Steyn and Philander took theirs in clumps.

Whatever the relative quality of the attacks, Steyn struck faster than Donald. Philander and Morkel both struck faster than Pollock.

His amount of playing time obviously impacted WPM more at the end though. It's a pretty short list of quicks with > 50% of his games. Of those, only I think only Hammond was a bat. And he only took 3 wickets in his last (war interrupted) decade.

 

[subshakerz]

It's comment on the number of DNBs, not WPM. Pollock and Donald took their wickets very regularly. Steyn and Philander took theirs in clumps.

Whatever the relative quality of the attacks, Steyn struck faster than Donald. Philander and Morkel both struck faster than Pollock.

His amount of playing time obviously impacted WPM more at the end though. It's a pretty short list of quicks with > 50% of his games. Of those, only I think only Hammond was a bat. And he only took 3 wickets in his last (war interrupted) decade.

I saw him at the beginning of his career and he was a lot quicker, sharper and more dangerous than the last one third. I think that accounts for the difference more than this info.

 

[Bolo.]

I saw him at the beginning of his career and he was a lot quicker, sharper and more dangerous than the last one third. I think that accounts for the difference more than this info.

Unless you think slowing down has nothing to do with playing 167 tests, you have just paraphrased my last paragraph.

 

[subshakerz]

Unless you think slowing down has nothing to do with playing 167 tests, you have just paraphrased my last paragraph.

I don't think we disagree then.