English Domestic Season 2023

[mackembhoy]

450 does sound a lot. Are the batting points for 250, 300, 350, 400 and 450 in the first 100 overs?

But have a look at Surrey's batting line-up. It's one thing Clark and Overton coming in at 160+ against a much older ball. Coming in at about half that score against a still newish ball is a different matter.

110 overs. I’m no expert on points systems over the years but I think Stokes/McCullum had some input into some changes for this year.

It's 450 in 110 for max batting points, with 250 for the first. Then 9 wickets within 110 for max bowling, with 3 the first bowling point.

The change for batting for this season purely down to Stokes/McCullum. It has been 200 for first batting point and increments of 50 till 400 in 110 for as long as I've been following county cricket.

Durham have really embraced the change, picked up 53/70 batting points this season with an average first innings score of 429. Goes up to 454 when you take out the non completed innings at Yorkshire of 106/1

 

[GIMH]

Surrey in a spot of bother

 

[mackembhoy]

Should have added Stokes/McCullum also reduced the points from a draw from 8 to 5.

This bit below in an article about Durham success this year. Really further showing how Campbell style of cricket matches the England setup. With McCullum's former team-mate Franklin everything Stokes/McCullum wished to stop.

"Before last season, captain Scott Borthwick had a chat with James Franklin, Durham’s former coach. Franklin told him that the average team needs 13 points a game to get promoted. “It was a mindset of ‘if we draw every game, we probably go up’,” Borthwick recalls. “Fast forward 12 months, it’s how can we try and win?” - that sums Franklin up and backs up everything I've said. that was his boring dull mindset and it numbed everyone & prevented the captain from captaining especially with the declarations and it pissed the players off massively as they were very much held back.

 

[Aidan11]

Another good session for Durham.

 

[Blenkinsop]

The Jacks/Lawes substitution is absolutely shocking IMO. Not that it'll affect the outcome of the championship, but they can hardly be considered like for like. (Also I don't really understand why Surrey would sub out their best bowler, but there you go.)

 

[Tom Flint]

Should have added Stokes/McCullum also reduced the points from a draw from 8 to 5.

This bit below in an article about Durham success this year. Really further showing how Campbell style of cricket matches the England setup. With McCullum's former team-mate Franklin everything Stokes/McCullum wished to stop.

"Before last season, captain Scott Borthwick had a chat with James Franklin, Durham’s former coach. Franklin told him that the average team needs 13 points a game to get promoted. “It was a mindset of ‘if we draw every game, we probably go up’,” Borthwick recalls. “Fast forward 12 months, it’s how can we try and win?” - that sums Franklin up and backs up everything I've said. that was his boring dull mindset and it numbed everyone & prevented the captain from captaining especially with the declarations and it pissed the players off massively as they were very much held back.

It works for some but not for others. Franklin was a great captain for middlesex, Northants coach has said his players tried to play bazball too much this year.
But can't be denied Durham have been much better off changing tactics from franklins

 

[Tom Flint]

Been watching muddlesex all morning, yadav has looked great even though looked an lbw candidate early on. Has allowed Higgins to not do too much up the other end and getting us in a strong position here. If our bowlers can do what they have done for the past 4 years we have a decent chance

 

[Pothas]

The Jacks/Lawes substitution is absolutely shocking IMO. Not that it'll affect the outcome of the championship, but they can hardly be considered like for like. (Also I don't really understand why Surrey would sub out their best bowler, but there you go.)

Yeah it is weird. Surely he should have been in for Steel.

 

[Yeoman]

Yeah it is weird. Surely he should have been in for Steel.

Read that Lawes is injured. However agree that it should be like-for-like, as with concussion subs.

 

[Tom Flint]

Surrey adding another bat after they finished bowling as all they need for the title is bonus points

 

[Gremlin]

Liam Dawson HAS to be one of the first names on the India Tour squad. What a season he's having.

 

[mackembhoy]

Liam Dawson HAS to be one of the first names on the India Tour squad. What a season he's having.

Has to with these numbers

With the ball

Mat	Inns	Balls	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
14*	17	1789	298.1	64	927	45	6/40	20.60	3.10	39.75	2	4

With the bat

Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
14*	21	1	806	141	40.30	1441	55.93	3	4	1	97	4

 

[mackembhoy]

Surrey adding another bat after they finished bowling as all they need for the title is bonus points

Now waiting on how Essex go in their batting for the title.

Essex ain't scoring 325 runs in 62 overs, so Surrey as well pop open the champagne tonight.

 

[Gremlin]

Dawson claims his Michelle.

 

[Molehill]

5 wickets for Dawson today, 800 runs at 40 and 45 wickets at 20 in the season. If he's not on that plane to India then something is seriously wrong.

Edit: Sorry, realise others have beaten me to it. But underlines how many are recognising his value.

 

[wpdavid]

Surrey in a spot of bother

Yeah, it was always possible. Which is why I felt that the assumptions that they would coast to a couple of batting points was insufficiently respectful to Hampshire's bowling and rather over-respectful to Surrey's recent batting. Beyond that, I can only echo other people's sentiments about the Jacks/Lawes replacement (if TL was injured, surely Atkinson was the like-for-like substitute) and that Dawson really should be on the flight to India.

 

[wpdavid]

Now waiting on how Essex go in their batting for the title.

Essex ain't scoring 325 runs in 62 overs, so Surrey as well pop open the champagne tonight.

I *think* that another 275 and a win gives Essex a share of the title if Surrey lose.

 

[Yeoman]

350 almost up for Kent so they now need only to match Middlesex’s result to stay up. The pitch now seems pretty placid so a draw at least should be in the bag. Onus on Middlesex to win.

 

[mackembhoy]

I *think* that another 275 and a win gives Essex a share of the title if Surrey lose.

I didn't know that was possible. They need 275 and win(plus surrey loss), to win it outright.

400 and a win(plus surrey loss) would then as you've now informed me, see them share the title.

BBC headline is "Surrey champions if Essex fail to make 400" which is factual but then also wrong. As Essex making 400 in 111+ overs would also see Surrey win the title outright

 

[GIMH]

I *think* that another 275 and a win gives Essex a share of the title if Surrey lose.

Yeah the beeb reporting Surrey are champions if Essex don’t make 400 which suggests you’re correct