*Official* Australia in India 2023

[Burgey]

yeah but that's not what actually happened though other than maybe green. they just failed to get going and/or execute. like Carey was 2 off 10 with Marnus having only faced 2 balls in the partnership at that point. that's on carey

Yeah but it’s been a recurring theme with that middle order for ages. And even if Head was fit I don’t think it would matter a lot because if he opens Marsh is incapable of starting against spin. We seem to have a stack of guys who can bat well in the top three but not produce a 130+ strike rate 50-70 odd in the middle order. I reckon it would almost be worth moving Warner to five if Head was fit. Warner seems to have less dramas getting going against spin than a lot of the supposed middle order specialists

 

[Nintendo]

Marnus has struck at 130~. It's not his fault none of the guys between 5 and 8 managed to go at faster than 75.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He's going at a SR of 118 , his SR has never dipped below 100 in this innings ..if anything it's Labuschagne that has had to go harder , the big hitters have just flopped in this innings. If someone is playing well we should give credit where it's due

Yeah look I'm pretty clearly wrong in this instance

I guess I was talking more in generalities

 

[Burgey]

How come Pujara is umpiring?

 

[Spark]

Dunno what's happened to Green mentally since the Lord's game but it's clear at this point that playing him is doing more harm than good. Needs to go back to the domestic circuit away from the glaring spotlight and work on his mental game.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah but it’s been a recurring theme with that middle order for ages. And even if Head was fit I don’t think it would matter a lot because if he opens Marsh is incapable of starting against spin. We seem to have a stack of guys who can bat well in the top three but not produce a 130+ strike rate 50-70 odd in the middle order. I reckon it would almost be worth moving Warner to five if Head was fit. Warner seems to have less dramas getting going against spin than a lot of the supposed middle order specialists

This is why Glenn Maxwell has been such an important player for us, and why he was stuck with for so long a few years ago even when he wasn't making runs. Virtually all of Australia's best 10 bats kind of need to bat top 3. Also probably why Stoinis was stuck with for so long.

 

[Spikey]

Yeah but it’s been a recurring theme with that middle order for ages. And even if Head was fit I don’t think it would dapple a lot because if he opens Marsh is incapable of starting against spin. We seem to have a stack of guys who can bat well in the top three but not produce a 130+ strike rate 50-70 odd in the middle order. I reckon it would almost be worth moving Warner to five if Head was fit. Warner seems to have less dramas getting going against spin than a lot of the supposed middle order specialists

well yeah but the 5 to 7 part of the line-up has sucked eggs for 4 years though. stoinis obviously has blown all that time. Carey had a good 2019 WC and the odd good innings here and there, with long periods of direness and Maxwell has had a decent come back after that horror 2019 WC, but they've rarely put it together at the same time. and having all these big hitters at the death hasn't had any impact on our top order either (my theory is roughly that "having lots of batting depth allows all your batting order to hit big for 50 overs!!!" is the trickle down theory of OD cricket. Nah, having total guns in the team allows for that!)

they've committed to this structure of a heap of big hitting all-rounders and it hasn't worked for 4 years. they've failed to develop gun options. stoinis should have been axed after 2019 and instead got 30 more games and might still play in the WC. Labuschagne and Green are the only two 'new' players since 2019 to get more than 10 games, and in Green's case it's very debatable whether we should have him given him those games given the all-round options already getting games. Turner probably should have been a bigger chance to become that gun in the 5-7 region for example.

 

[centurymaker]

Should be a comfortable win for Australia today.

 

[Nintendo]

This is why Glenn Maxwell has been such an important player for us, and why he was stuck with for so long a few years ago even when he wasn't making runs. Virtually all of Australia's best 10 bats kind of need to bat top 3. Also probably why Stoinis was stuck with for so long.

Yeah, maxwell has averaged ~40 at a sr of 135 in this last WC cycle (before this game). His quick runs at 7 were definitely hiding the lack of back end hitting in the rest of this lineup. An attack of cummins-haze-starc-zampa should ideally be able to defend this type of target most games, but you also can't afford to leave 30-50 runs out their like we did after the start we had.

 

[Daemon]

This is why Glenn Maxwell has been such an important player for us, and why he was stuck with for so long a few years ago even when he wasn't making runs. Virtually all of Australia's best 10 bats kind of need to bat top 3. Also probably why Stoinis was stuck with for so long.

well yeah but the 5 to 7 part of the line-up has sucked eggs for 4 years though. stoinis obviously has blown all that time. Carey had a good 2019 WC and the odd good innings here and there, with long periods of direness and Maxwell has had a decent come back after that horror 2019 WC, but they've rarely put it together at the same time. and having all these big hitters at the death hasn't had any impact on our top order either (my theory is roughly that "having lots of batting depth allows all your batting order to hit big for 50 overs!!!" is the trickle down theory of OD cricket. Nah, having total guns in the team allows for that!)

they've committed to this structure of a heap of big hitting all-rounders and it hasn't worked for 4 years. they've failed to develop gun options. stoinis should have been axed after 2019 and instead got 30 more games and might still play in the WC. Labuschagne and Green are the only two 'new' players since 2019 to get more than 10 games, and in Green's case it's very debatable whether we should have him given him those games given the all-round options already getting games. Turner probably should have been a bigger chance to become that gun in the 5-7 region for example.

Two (first) names come to mind as the solution

 

[Spikey]

well yeah the Tim David thing was very weird. giving him a couple of games and then dropping him so Marcus Stoinis could fail some more and then completely dropping David for Short but then playing Short twice, opening one game and batting at 8 the other game, is a decent example of the very strange way Australia has attempted to develop a team for the World Cup

 

[TheJediBrah]

Two (first) names come to mind as the solution

Turner isn't a first name

 

[Nintendo]

well yeah but the 5 to 7 part of the line-up has sucked eggs for 4 years though. stoinis obviously has blown all that time. Carey had a good 2019 WC and the odd good innings here and there, with long periods of direness and Maxwell has had a decent come back after that horror 2019 WC, but they've rarely put it together at the same time. and having all these big hitters at the death hasn't had any impact on our top order either (my theory is roughly that "having lots of batting depth allows all your batting order to hit big for 50 overs!!!" is the trickle down theory of OD cricket. Nah, having total guns in the team allows for that!)

they've committed to this structure of a heap of big hitting all-rounders and it hasn't worked for 4 years. they've failed to develop gun options. stoinis should have been axed after 2019 and instead got 30 more games and might still play in the WC. Labuschagne and Green are the only two 'new' players since 2019 to get more than 10 games, and in Green's case it's very debatable whether we should have him given him those games given the all-round options already getting games. Turner probably should have been a bigger chance to become that gun in the 5-7 region for example.

Nah, turner isn't the answer. There was a period there between 2019-2021 where he didn't cross 50 for something like 30 innings and he's been bang average in the marsh cup these past 2 seasons. That 44 ball 86 was his 3rd or 4th good knock in 15+ hits in the format across aus A and marsh cup. Green was doing really well in this finisher type role up until 6 months ago, his game has just completely fallen apart across formats after the IPL, no idea why.

 

[Spikey]

if Head is actually fit enough at a reasonable point, they might end up with a top 7 of

warner
head
smith
marnus
mmarsh
maxwell
carey

which is about as good as it can get, but dropping one of stoinis/green entirely from the squad would need to happen so that marnus can actually be in the squad

 

[Nintendo]

if Head is actually fit enough at a reasonable point, they might end up with a top 7 of

warner
head
smith
marnus
mmarsh
maxwell
carey

which is about as good as it can get, but dropping one of stoinis/green entirely from the squad would need to happen so that marnus can actually be in the squad

Just **** off stoinis. He's been moeen ali tiers of bad for 5-6 years now. If the wc wasn't right now and we had another 3 months i'de be interested to see how will sutherland would have gone at 7. He's turned into a mini peak faulkner recently in white ball stuff,

 

[BazBall21]

I would back India to chase this if their batting was full strength.

Marsh against pace in the PP cooking.

 

[Burgey]

if Head is actually fit enough at a reasonable point, they might end up with a top 7 of

warner
head
smith
marnus
mmarsh
maxwell
carey

which is about as good as it can get, but dropping one of stoinis/green entirely from the squad would need to happen so that marnus can actually be in the squad

Yeah that’s probably as decent as it can potentially get but Marsh at five will struggle I reckon.

On top of all this poor form, team imbalance and how bad the prep has been, I just saw we have to play in Chennai. It really is the World Cup from hell.

 

[Silver Silva]

Yeah that’s probably as decent as it can potentially get but Marsh at five will struggle I reckon.

On top of all this poor form, team imbalance and how bad the prep has been, I just saw we have to play in Chennai. It really is the World Cup from hell.

Why doesn't Marsh bowl a few overs anymore ?

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

It's cooled down. India will perhaps knock out these runs in 43 overs.

 

[Shri]

marsh
head
warner
smith
labu
maxi
carey the way to go if head gets magically fit to play some part in the wc