England thread

[Ashes81]

I think the ideal XI would be :
Roy, Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Livingstone, Woakes, Rashid, Atkinson/Curran, Topley

I think we'll go with something like this
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Livingstone, Ali, Curran, Woakes, Wood, Rashid.

 

[grecian]

Oh and Mark Wood does play if fit. Not sure Atkinson will make the squad, not done much to deserve it, carse gives more to the team, no matter your view on is arsiness, or not.

 

[grecian]

I think we'll go with something like this
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Livingstone, Ali, Curran, Woakes, Wood, Rashid.

yeah, pretty much my team too. Lots of bowling options of differing types plus bats pretty long. Topley for S curran maybe, but management just loves Sam so probably won't happen.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Anyone willing to curse Joe Root 66 back into form?

 

[GIMH]

yeah, pretty much my team too. Lots of bowling options of differing types plus bats pretty long. Topley for S curran maybe, but management just loves Sam so probably won't happen.

Topley being an old school number eleven probably the main thing that will keep him out of the first choice side?

 

[grecian]

Topley being an old school number eleven probably the main thing that will keep him out of the first choice side?

Yeah, but you still have Wood at 10, who as we know can belt them, not forgetting Rashid at 9 with his myriad first-class centuries, I know England Like Depth in batting, but honestly surely we can't be looking at number 11's batting as a serious consideration.

 

[Howe_zat]

Topley has outbowled Scurran this summer but the latter was player of the tournament in the T20 less than a year ago for his bowling, we could do worse.

 

[Molehill]

Controversial opinion here, but does Rashid have a guaranteed starting spot now? Why not Curran for Rashid? He is not taking wickets and we have other spin options. Last 2 ODI's we've been good without him.

 

[Nintendo]

Controversial opinion here, but does Rashid have a guaranteed starting spot now? Why not Curran for Rashid? He is not taking wickets and we have other spin options. Last 2 ODI's we've been good without him.

Curran averages 38 in odi cricket with the ball, and no rashid means playing moeen "I average 50+ with the ball" ali and Livingstone as your frontline spinners, in india.

 

[mackembhoy]

Controversial opinion here, but does Rashid have a guaranteed starting spot now? Why not Curran for Rashid? He is not taking wickets and we have other spin options. Last 2 ODI's we've been good without him.

If we compare Rashid and Moeen form this year. It's quite apparent as to why we want our first choice spinner playing.

Rashid 15@25 from 7 ODI's and taken at least a wicket in every game.

Moeen has 7@42 from 8 ODI's and failed to take a wicket in 3 of them.

Suspect we shall see Moeen at 7 and Curran at 8 in a lot of games. Then Curran at 7 if we don't need 3 spin options, with Moeen potentially on drinks duty.

 

[number11]

England look absolutely phenomenal. May not win every game but it will take something special to stop England retaining the cup.

England, India and Australia are competing for the WC. The rest are there for the numbers.

 

[GIMH]

England look absolutely phenomenal.

Tbf we were rank with the ball in the first ODI, about 30-5 in the second and we did collapse, albeit with a winning score on the board, yesterday. We’re looking in decent shape but I don’t think we’re quite the flawless outfit just yet.

 

[number11]

Tbf we were rank with the ball in the first ODI, about 30-5 in the second and we did collapse, albeit with a winning score on the board, yesterday. We’re looking in decent shape but I don’t think we’re quite the flawless outfit just yet.

It's not about perfection, rather it is about x-factor, depth and tenacity. I'm very confident in England retaining.

 

[Prince EWS]

If we compare Rashid and Moeen form this year. It's quite apparent as to why we want our first choice spinner playing.

Rashid 15@25 from 7 ODI's and taken at least a wicket in every game.

Moeen has 7@42 from 8 ODI's and failed to take a wicket in 3 of them.

Suspect we shall see Moeen at 7 and Curran at 8 in a lot of games. Then Curran at 7 if we don't need 3 spin options, with Moeen potentially on drinks duty.

It's not just been recent either. In the four and a bit years since the last World Cup Moeen has played 30 ODIs - more than any England player other than Roy - and averages 23@87 with the bat and 51@5.4 with the ball. That's a really putrid record in general and I remain surprised there hasn't been more scrutiny over his position. Dawson, Jacks and Rehan really should've been given more games in this cycle to see if they could offer something better than that.

 

[Molehill]

It's not just been recent either. In the four and a bit years since the last World Cup Moeen has played 30 ODIs - more than any England player other than Roy - and averages 23@87 with the bat and 51@5.4 with the ball. That's a really putrid record in general and I remain surprised there hasn't been more scrutiny over his position. Dawson, Jacks and Rehan really should've been given more games in this cycle to see if they could offer something better than that.

One thing Moeen might have in his favour is his record in the IPL. His stats this year show an average, economy and strike rate almost identical to Jadeja's. They were significantly better than Theekshana's.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/averages-batting-bowling-by-team/indian-premier-league-2023-15129?team=4343

I think Dawson is the unlucky one of the 3 you mention. But he turns the ball the same way as Rashid and Livingstone, I think that is one reason why Moeen continues to hold down a spot.

 

[mackembhoy]

It's not just been recent either. In the four and a bit years since the last World Cup Moeen has played 30 ODIs - more than any England player other than Roy - and averages 23@87 with the bat and 51@5.4 with the ball. That's a really putrid record in general and I remain surprised there hasn't been more scrutiny over his position. Dawson, Jacks and Rehan really should've been given more games in this cycle to see if they could offer something better than that.

Being the Vice Captain shields him. His IPL experience a factor too.

 

[grecian]

Being the Vice Captain shields him. His IPL experience a factor too.

He is basically proxy captain a lot of the time, with Jos behind the stumps. His contribution can't just be summed up with stats.

 

[Nicky]

I feel Sam Curran shouldn't be part of the main XI for England. Woakes, Willey, Topley & Wood should be the main seamers.
Bairstow, Malan, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Livingstone, Woakes, Willey, Rashid, Wood/Topley

 

[grecian]

Mo maybe helping his terrible stats here.

 

[number11]

England are like a Ferrari.