Peer rating - Value it or discard it?

[Adorable Asshole]

Lol why the antagonism?

Because you haven't answered my questions

 

[subshakerz]

Because you haven't answered my questions

I did below. But I don't know why you are dancing around mine. Sanga over Lara, yes or no, and why?

I am saying that Ponting maybe having a better peer rating didn't stop you from rating Kallis better. I presume it's because you think Kallis has a notably better record.

Why don't you tell me what you believe then on Sanga and Lara.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

I did below. But I don't know why you are dancing around mine. Sanga over Lara, yes or no, and why?

So you are saying that Sanga has better record than Lara? Record is not just career batting average

What does Kallis has to do with it? Are you implying that I rate Kallis based on superior record and that Sanga has superior record that Lara?

 

[subshakerz]

So you are saying that Sanga has better record than Lara? Record is not just career batting average

Why do you keep replying to my question with further questions? Just answer.

You can make a good case that Sanga's overall record and his stats breakdown can legitimately be better than Lara's, yes. I think Lara is better as a bat though based on peer rating regardless of that. What do you think?

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Why do you keep replying to my question with further questions?

You scared to answer

You can make a good case that Sanga's overall record and his stats breakdown can legitimately be better than Lara's, yes.

no

I think Lara is better as a bat though based on peer rating regardless of that. What do you think?

If that's the case then no

 

[subshakerz]

You scared to answer

I answered in plain English. I took your Kallis-Ponting point on bucking peer rating and extended it to Sanga-Lara.

no

Maybe you haven't compared them then but tell me where Lara establishes himself as superior statswise over Sanga.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

I answered in plain English. I took your Kallis-Ponting point on bucking peer rating and extended it to Sanga-Lara.

How? How did establish establish connection between Kallis-Ponting to Sanga-Lara?

Sanga is more similar to Ponting than Kallis.

And Lara is not even the same era as these 3.

Maybe you haven't compared them then but tell me where Lara establishes himself as superior statswise over Sanga.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1rmR0F6hmKyJEiX9AdbRJyxqnl8WU_sZvK5SbDe109OA/htmlview?pli=1#gid=0

 

[subshakerz]

How? How did establish establish connection between Kallis-Ponting to Sanga-Lara?

Sanga is more similar to Ponting than Kallis.

And Lara is not even the same era as these 3.

Man, the connection is simple. Both Ponting and Lara are rated far ahead on peer rating to Kallis and Sanga. Hence the comparison.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1rmR0F6hmKyJEiX9AdbRJyxqnl8WU_sZvK5SbDe109OA/htmlview?pli=1#gid=0

Didnt you just say that record is not career batting average? I agree with that which is why I never use the batting average, adjusted or whatever, as an argument. Give me some other measures of record that shows Lara is better than Sanga.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Man, the connection is simple. Both Ponting and Lara are rated far ahead on peer rating to Kallis and Sanga. Hence the comparison.

Lara is rated far ahead of Ponting by his peers and Lara and Sanga were not peers at all.

Give me some other measures of record that shows Lara is better than Sanga.

So you are now shifting goal posts.

Why don't you show me how Sanga record is better than Lara?

 

[Coronis]

Well, I would call it flair, in the sense that watching ATGs you want to get a sense that you are witnessing the greatest application of skill at this level.

And this is sadly why Kobe is always overrated and Duncan always underrated.

 

[subshakerz]

So you are now shifting goal posts.

How? You were the one mentioning career average, not me. I just said record.

Why don't you show me how Sanga record is better than Lara?

Sanga has a slightly better breakdown across countries, for one. Lara has his plus points too but like I said, you can make a similar case for Kallis over Ponting based on record as you can for Sanga over Lara.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

How? You were the one mentioning career average, not me. I just said record.

and you agreed. And still using average to prove your point

Sanga has a slightly better breakdown across countries, for one.

Not if we adjust for eras

Lara has his plus points too but like I said, you can make a similar case for Kallis over Ponting based on record as you can for Sanga over Lara.

No. Again Lara played most of his career pre 2000, so it's a **** comparison.

Plus Kallis was not a htb like Ponting.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I am asking if you consider Sanga a better bat than Lara based on a superior seeming record?

You can definitely make a case Lara is better even statistically. Superior pure run output with fewer not outs, got most of his runs in a tougher batting era, more runs/chances to score runs in unfamiliar conditions, basically no minnow bashing as opposed to 20% of his total runs for Sanga, better record vs the best teams, etc.

 

[Socerer 01]

yeah subs is barking up the wrong tree with Sanga vs Lara

other than the stonewalling batsmen is there an example of batsmen getting hard done by peer ratings? even there someone like Dravid has been overrated to the moon once he retired

 

[subshakerz]

yeah subs is barking up the wrong tree with Sanga vs Lara

other than the stonewalling batsmen is there an example of batsmen getting hard done by peer ratings? even there someone like Dravid has been overrated to the moon once he retired

Same with Kallis.

 

[Burgey]

Why do you keep replying to my question with further questions? Just answer.

You can make a good case that Sanga's overall record and his stats breakdown can legitimately be better than Lara's, yes. I think Lara is better as a bat though based on peer rating regardless of that. What do you think?

I think Lara is better because I never hid behind the lounge afraid to watch the tv while Sangakkara was batting like I did when Lara was on song.

 

[ma1978]

Heard Sangakkara give a talk and the gist off his comments on Lara was “the man could do what no other man could do (and I certainly couldn’t do”, after being in the nightclub until 5am). He said Lara was the best he had seen.

 

[number11]

Same with Kallis.

I remember Ian Chappell saying once that despite the runs, he didn't rate Boycott as a great player as Boycott scored so slowly as to not transfer any [substantial] pressure on to the other team. I will repeat that stats alone are quite a blind analysis, they need to be delved deep into and contextualized. Kallis was an accumulator, not a destroyer. Ditto Dravid. These types of guys will never have the peer value of the likes of Ponting or Lara or Viv who ruined bowling line ups and destroyed the other teams morale.

 

[subshakerz]

I remember Ian Chappell saying once that despite the runs, he didn't rate Boycott as a great player as Boycott scored so slowly as to not transfer any [substantial] pressure on to the other team. I will repeat that stats alone are quite a blind analysis, they need to be delved deep into and contextualized. Kallis was an accumulator, not a destroyer. Ditto Dravid. These types of guys will never have the peer value of the likes of Ponting or Lara or Viv who ruined bowling line ups and destroyed the other teams morale.

Agreed. Dravid though I think had more value given that he was a counterbalance to aggressive bats in the lineup, so he could just be the backbone. Hence his peer rating seemed higher than Kallis.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sangakkara is half the batsman Lara was