South Africa team selection

[Dendarii]

Taking a look at a potential team:

Dean Elgar
Tony de Zorzi
Keegan Petersen
Zubayr Hamza
Raynard van Tonder
David Bedingham
Sinethemba Qeshile
Sean Whitehead
Beyers Swanepoel
Glenton Stuurman
Lutho Sipamla

There are six players who have played tests and three (Bedingham, Van Tonder, Swanepoel) who people think should be playing tests. Definitely better than a "4th XI".

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah it doesn't look as bad as I expected.

 

[centurymaker]

More like a 3rd XI

 

[Socerer 01]

More like a 3rd XI

should the Gabba win be discounted as a test by the same logic???

 

[centurymaker]

should the Gabba win be discounted as a test by the same logic???

That was obviously not a 3rd or 4th XI!

India's batting was almost full strength! And thats what won them the match on day 5

 

[Socerer 01]

That was obviously not a 3rd or 4th XI!

India's batting was almost full strength! And thats what won them the match on day 5

Elgar, de Zorzi, Petersen are all in South Africa's 1st XI, Hamza was in it for a period before his ban and Beddingham would have been there if he didn't make himself ineligible. the odd one out is van Tonder who should have been capped anyways

India had no Rahul and Gill debuting, an opener out of position in the middle order and their best batsman out. Rohit had also only started opening 2 series ago and it was his 1st away series as opener

 

[centurymaker]

R Sharma (1st XI)
S Gill (1st/2nd XI)
Pujara (1st XI)
Rahane (1st XI)
Aggarwal (2nd XI)
Pant (1st XI)

Sundar (3rd XI)
Thakur (2nd/3rd XI)
Saini (3rd XI)
Natrajan (4th XI)
Siraj (2nd XI)

Batting close to 1st XI and bowling around 3rd XI. So overall, it was more or less a 2nd XI.

 

[centurymaker]

Gill had replaced Shaw after the 1st test itself, he was playing his 3rd test.


It's fun to exaggerate and call it a C or D team but if you look at the facts, you realise that it was actually a decent team overall, barring a couple of bowlers.

 

[Socerer 01]

R Sharma (1st XI)
S Gill (1st/2nd XI)
Pujara (1st XI)
Rahane (1st XI)
Aggarwal (2nd XI)
Pant (1st XI)

Sundar (3rd XI)
Thakur (2nd/3rd XI)
Saini (3rd XI)
Natrajan (4th XI)
Siraj (2nd XI)

Batting close to 1st XI and bowling around 3rd XI. So overall, it was more or less a 2nd XI.

in what universe are Natarajan and Sundar that high up when they didn’t play a single FC match in 2 years at that point and were only there for net practice?

a lot of this is in hindsight dude, Pant didn’t even play in the 1st test because Saha did, Mayank was again in the middle order and by Gill’s debut i meant his debut series. at that point he had less experience in cricket than Hamza who you called a part of 4th xi

anyways im not sure why brought in hierarchy when the thing i disputed wasnt these Indian guys being 3rd or 4th xi but you calling the South African players so when they are not

 

[Socerer 01]

taking the team that @Dendarii posted

Elgar 1st xi
de Zorzi 1st xi
Petersen 1st xi
Hamza 2nd xi
Beddingham 2nd xi but would be 1st xi if he played before
van Tonder 2nd xi
Qeshile 3rd or 4th xi as idk if anyone other than the last 2 keepers have been preferred ahead of him

far cry from the 4th or 3rd xi that has been accused and its bullshit gatekeeping to call it so, cricket is where it is in the world because of such nonsense gatekeeping

 

[Dendarii]

taking the team that @Dendarii posted

Elgar 1st xi
de Zorzi 1st xi
Petersen 1st xi
Hamza 2nd xi
Beddingham 2nd xi but would be 1st xi if he played before
van Tonder 2nd xi
Qeshile 3rd or 4th xi as idk if anyone other than the last 2 keepers have been preferred ahead of him

far cry from the 4th or 3rd xi that has been accused and its bull**** gatekeeping to call it so, cricket is where it is in the world because of such nonsense gatekeeping

Yeah, out of the batsmen who wouldn't be available it's only Markram and Bavuma who would be certainties to make the side.

And while the bowlers could be regarded as 3rd XI, that's because the 1st and 2nd XI contains Rabada, Nortje, Jansen, Ngidi, Coetzee, Maharaj, Harmer, and Linde. Not being as good as those guys doesn't mean you're a substandard bowler.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

Thumping win for SA Emerging, beat Zim by 10 wickets , unbeaten 130 run partnership between Joshua Richards and Jordan Hermann ..

 

[centurymaker]

And let's wait till we get the official squad and some of these players may not even make it or be available by then or further some may even miss the starting XI... so mr socerer stop jumping the gun. South African batting maybe a blend of 1st and 2nd XI (based on those players) but regardless batting is not their strength at all. It is a weakness..

SA's strength is their fearsome bowling attack and you take that out and you are left with a non-test standard looking side with pretty much all 10 of their top 10 bowlers missing. It's looking closer to a 3rd string side than a 2nd string side because SA is so dependent on their bowling thesedays.

India even without the bowlers (barring Siraj) had the batting firepower to deal with Australia. So it was still a half-decent side for the 4th test

And most importantly the reason I said this series shouldn't be considered for test status is because India had injuries that forced players out of the "final" test, South Africa does NOT have injuries, the board itself is sending a significantly weaker side because they don't give a toss about the test tour of NZ. So the tests shouldn't have test status without an actual test team and the SA board should be penalised monetarily! It's like BCCI sending India A or India B side for tour of South africa in December, how would you feel about that?

 

[Socerer 01]

And let's wait till we get the official squad and some of these players may not even make it or be available by then or further some may even miss the starting XI... so mr socerer stop jumping the gun. South African batting maybe a blend of 1st and 2nd XI (based on those players) but regardless batting is not their strength at all. It is a weakness..

SA's strength is their fearsome bowling attack and you take that out and you are left with a non-test standard looking side with pretty much all 10 of their top 10 bowlers missing. It's looking closer to a 3rd string side than a 2nd string side because SA is so dependent on their bowling thesedays.

India even without the bowlers (barring Siraj) had the batting firepower to deal with Australia. So it was still a half-decent side for the 4th test

And most importantly the reason I said this series shouldn't be considered for test status is because India had injuries that forced players out of the "final" test, South Africa does NOT have injuries, the board itself is sending a significantly weaker side because they don't give a toss about the test tour of NZ. So the tests shouldn't have test status without an actual test team and the SA board should be penalised monetarily! It's like BCCI sending India A or India B side for tour of South africa in December, how would you feel about that?

dude their theoretical pace bowling is still better than what Bangladesh or Sri Lanka can put out, how is that non-test standard? its hypocritical of you to suggest im jumping the gun when you call a team that hasnt even been announced yet as the equivalent of 4th xi without even suggesting any players to prove your point lol

the Bcci has not sent a weak test team yet but they have sent weak or rotated teams for odis and t20s everywhere, do those get to be stripped of similar status now or is this gatekeeping only done for tests? South Africa dont have their players available either in this case, is it any different from West Indies being unable to pick Pooran or others in the past ? or Ireland being unable to pick Little for tests because he was in ipl? why should new zealand be punished for south africa prioritising their t20 league anyway

 

[Dendarii]

What constitutes an "actual test team"? South Africa played a series against Bangladesh last year without their IPL players and a pace attack of Olivier, Williams, and Mulder. Should they have been fined for that?

 

[morgieb]

Yeah it doesn't look as bad as I expected.

That batting is legit pretty decent, and may actually be better than their actual side depending on how van Tonder/Bedingham click.

Will struggle with the ball though.

 

[Dendarii]

In the meantime, what's going on with the women's team?

Luus steps down as South Africa captain ahead of Pakistan tour

Laura Wolvaardt is the favourite to take over; vice-captain Chloe Tryon has opted out of the tour, requesting a "leave of absence"

www.espncricinfo.com

Players not happy with Hilton Moreeng being retained as coach, Sune Luus stepping down as captain, and Chloe Tryon requesting a "leave of absence". It just never ends with CSA...

 

[Bahseph]

CSA are almost always the ones at fault in these scenarios but in a way I understand why they view Hilton Moreeng as a safe bet. The players apparently don't have a personal issue with him either. It's one of those situations where you need some tact to navigate.

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

SA Emerging beat Zim by 6 wickets today

Zim 244 all out
Wesley Madhevere 67
Clive Madande 81
- Nealan Van Heerden 3/38
- Nqabayomzi Peter 3/38
-Jordan Hermann 3/17

SA 245/4
Daniel Smith 78*
Mitchell Van Buuren 69*
- Brandon Mavuta 2/56

Great stuff , they have a 3-1 lead over the Zimbabweans , hope Peter can develop he's a young legspinner, we desperately need more legspinners in white ball cricket.

 

[Nintendo]

SA Emerging beat Zim by 6 wickets today

Zim 244 all out
Wesley Madhevere 67
Clive Madande 81
- Nealan Van Heerden 3/38
- Nqabayomzi Peter 3/38
-Jordan Hermann 3/17

SA 245/4
Daniel Smith 78*
Mitchell Van Buuren 69*
- Brandon Mavuta 2/56

Great stuff , they have a 3-1 lead over the Zimbabweans , hope Peter can develop he's a young legspinner, we desperately need more legspinners in white ball cricket.

Is hermann's part time stuff respectable? Didn't realize he bowled.