What would Ashwin and Jadeja's records look like if they debuted a decade earlier?

[TheJediBrah]

its not as I said they made bouncy pitches when South Africa went there and i doubt they have any money to engineer pitches like that for their team

Theoretically, why would they do that? SA aren't exactly the financial powerhouse that Indian cricket is

 

[mr_mister]

He should have taken it seriously then. Indian tail was a joke during his time and he was part of it. There were very rare moments that he and Srinath did somewhat ok with the bat. Otherwise, it was always Sachin out, all out.

Yes, he might be the slightly better bowler but it does not outweigh what Ashwin gives with the bat over him. My Indian ATG XI will have Ash-Jaddu combination over Kumble, Bedi, Prasanna etc. to give that extra weight with the bat without losing anything with the ball.

Sachin out all out? I thought despite their weaknesses in bowling depth India always had pretty solid batting around then. Azharuddin, Dravid, Laxman etc had a big overlap with Srinath and Kumble

 

[CricAddict]

Sachin out all out? I thought despite their weaknesses in bowling depth India always had pretty solid batting around then. Azharuddin, Dravid, Laxman etc had a big overlap with Srinath and Kumble

Laxman opened at that time and was bad. Azhar wasn't that good and Dravid was at 3 but yes once Dravid got established, the lineup became stronger.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Sachin out all out? I thought despite their weaknesses in bowling depth India always had pretty solid batting around then. Azharuddin, Dravid, Laxman etc had a big overlap with Srinath and Kumble

Don't forget Ganguly too - good batsman.

 

[Kirkut]

All I was questioning was the claim that the spinnifying of WI wickets was driven by a "reliance on BCCI money".

That they have become more spin friendly is definitely no secret

That's a bizarre conspiracy theory. I mean BCCI's power/influence is being overestimated here.

 

[Coronis]

That's a bizarre conspiracy theory. I mean BCCI's power/influence is being overestimated here.

That’s just what the BCCI wants you to think.

 

[sledger]

Surely nobody genuinely believes Ashwin is better than Kumble was

 

[subshakerz]

Surely nobody genuinely believes Ashwin is better than Kumble was

Several here do, sadly.

Cheap home wickets have made Ashwin and co seem a lot better than they really are.

 

[Xix2565]

They've also caused severe brain damage for some posters here like @subshakerz. Can't cope with the reality being presented to them.

 

[ma1978]

Surely nobody genuinely believes Ashwin is better than Kumble was

i lived through the Kumble era and the Ashwin era. Ashwin is better and it’s not that close.

 

[CricAddict]

i lived through the Kumble era and the Ashwin era. Ashwin is better and it’s not that close.

This for me too. I have watched most of the matches played by both. Kumble was never intimidating to opponents as Ashwin and Jadeja are at home.

 

[ZK$]

Ashwin averages like 20 in India and 29 outside of India. Kumble averages like 24 in India and 35 outside of India.

 

[Daemon]

Ashwin averages like 20 in India and 29 outside of India. Kumble averages like 24 in India and 35 outside of India.

You can’t take their stats at face value and compare them like that tbf. You have to acknowledge the relatively better conditions Ashwin has enjoyed vs Kumble, compare them against the other spinners in the era and go from there.

But then again this thread has done none of that for 7 pages so why start now.

 

[ZK$]

You can’t take their stats at face value and compare them like that tbf. You have to acknowledge the relatively better conditions Ashwin has enjoyed vs Kumble, compare them against the other spinners in the era and go from there.

But then again this thread has done none of that for 7 pages so why start now.

I agree. I was just pointing out that it’s not just Ashwin’s home average that’s superior to Kumble’s.

 

[OverratedSanity]

i lived through the Kumble era and the Ashwin era. Ashwin is better and it’s not that close.

He's probably better, but there's no way I can agree it's not close. Kumble/Chandra/Bedi/Ashwin/Jadeja are all approximately of equal quality.

 

[Prince EWS]

He's probably better, but there's no way I can agree it's not close. Kumble/Chandra/Bedi/Ashwin/Jadeja are all approximately of equal quality.

Yeah agreed that they're very close. I rate Kumble better primarily due to longevity really, not a lot else to split them in my mind.

 

[honestbharani]

Ashwin the better cricketer

Kumble the better bowler, slightly.

 

[Prince EWS]

Ashwin the better cricketer

Kumble the better bowler, slightly.

Yeah that's probably fair.

 

[centurymaker]

Yes they are close in terms of bowling.
But Ashwin clearly ahead as a batter so he is first pick.

 

[CricAddict]

As cricketers, Jadeja>Ashwin>Kumble
As bowlers, Ashwin>Kumble>Jadeja